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Old November 24th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bill Carson Cimarron Red...

I thought you'd all be interested in this. I came across this picture while drolling over pictures of a 1992 Bill Carson Custom Shop Stratocaster I found on listed eBay. This is a letter that comes with the Strat and tells the story of the colour Cimarron Red. I wish Fender would offer this colour again some day...
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Old November 24th, 2012, 11:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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As for Leon McAuliffe and the lap steel guitar...here's the original:






More on it here: Indian Territory Guitars: Vintage Guitar Collection
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Old December 27th, 2012, 05:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Has anyone got any colour photographs or any information on Bill's Cimarron Red Stratocaster???
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On page 105 of The Stratocaster Chronicles by Tom Wheeler, there's a photograph of a beautiful '55 strat in Cimarron Red. It's next to an equally beautiful tele in the same colour. The caption says the name Cimarron Red was coined by Bill Carson and evolved into Dakota Red.
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On page 105 of The Stratocaster Chronicles by Tom Wheeler, there's a photograph of a beautiful '55 strat in Cimarron Red. It's next to an equally beautiful tele in the same colour. The caption says the name Cimarron Red was coined by Bill Carson and evolved into Dakota Red.
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I don't think that those two are in Cimarron Red. The color red is too light and Dakota Red was only available on 1957 and 58 Cadillacs.
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Old December 27th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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That's the one. Red is notoriously difficult to photograph consistently, and looking at the page in front of me now, both guitars look darker than in your reproduction above. I'll quote the first part of the caption -

Perry A. Margouleff: " This is one of the earliest Custom Color Strats I've turned up in all my years of collecting, a '55. It's unquestionably authentic and correct. Many years later the Tele turned up; it's from the same period, and looks like it was painted out of the same can of paint. I've heard the color referred to as Cimarron Red."

In any event, I can only agree with you that it would be good to see this colour make a comeback.
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Here's some more pictures i've dug up:

Interesting that this picture shows the guitar with "Billy Carson" written on it.



Here's the biggest picture I could find of that famous picture of Bill. Maybe Fender airbrushed "Billy Carson" off the guitar for this pic. Also, it looks like the guitar has a butterfly string tree and is obviously not a new guitar (dirty fretboard).

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Old December 28th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Nice guitars!
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Old December 28th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
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heh, I've got a Twin Amp like the one Bill's got his foot on. mine's a '56!
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Old December 30th, 2012, 06:35 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I love the picture of the Stringmaster. Looks like a 55 I am guessing? I know the setup changed around that time. I have a '57 double neck, very very cool steel guitar.

And this is especially cool cause Leon played. "Take it away Leon!"
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