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Old October 19th, 2011, 03:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Locking tuners vs vintage!

I'm putting a modern vintage guitar together at the moment; which tuners are overall best?

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Old October 19th, 2011, 04:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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I'm putting a modern vintage guitar together at the moment; which tuners are overall best?
depends what you're going for. If you want the old style look, get the vintage. For overall stability, locking ones are best.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 04:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well I prefer the look of the vintage, but on my jaguar, when the string snaps, the tuning goes wack!
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Old October 19th, 2011, 05:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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You can get both - locking AND vintage. Gotoh makes such tuners. They're stock on my Classic Player 50's.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 05:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Vintage tuners all the way!
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Old October 19th, 2011, 05:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I luv my locking tuners for stability & ease of string change.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 06:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Vintage Locking Height Adjustable Poles



TK_7679-001 Gotoh Locking Kluson Tuners w/ Adjustable Height Posts
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Old October 19th, 2011, 06:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Vintage hands down
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Old October 19th, 2011, 06:33 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I just replaced some Gotoh vintage locking machines because the string post leant so much on the low E string that the nut was getting a sideways cut in it at the back and was binding. These were brand new. The locking button on top of the threaded shaft leant over through either slack in the threads or the metal was too soft and it didn't take the pressure load on it from the string. I replaced the locking versions with regular vintage versions and all is well again. I just thought I'd mention it as it was my first and only experience with the locking machines and it wasn't a happy one.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Those Gotohs look like they'ed be the ticket. Adjustable post will mak a difference too.
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Down sides? These might literally fix every problem I've ever had with my guitar lol, so what are the cons?

Also, would using bushings to make the tuner fit also have downsides? Like loss of integrity?
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No string tree necessary with the H.A.P
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Is that a con????
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Can those be used on a 2010 Am. Std? If so I will probably buy them right now.
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Can those be used on a 2010 MIM Std? If so I will probably buy them sometime soon.
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I'm putting a modern vintage guitar together at the moment; which tuners are overall best?
If you want vintage look I really like the Wilkinson vintage Kluson style... If you are talking absolutely best tuner ever made... Sperzel, hands down.
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Well I prefer the look of the vintage, but on my jaguar, when the string snaps, the tuning goes wack!
locking tuners aren't going to help that. if you break a string, use the lock button on the trem.
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Never tried Gotohs but they look nice. I'd be willing to give em try.
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Another thing is if you buy Gotoh vintage tuning machines beware of the supplied screws. They can snap if you so much as look at them. I had new ones snap into a neck that was already threaded for the supplied screws in the packet. Even with wax on them 2 of them snapped before they were seated.
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Another thing is if you buy Gotoh vintage tuning machines beware of the supplied screws. They can snap if you so much as look at them. I had new ones snap into a neck that was already threaded for the supplied screws in the packet. Even with wax on them 2 of them snapped before they were seated.
My solution is to drill the full length of the hole with a 1/16ths twist bit, then redrill the shank portion of the holes with 3/32nds. And I keep a perfectly matched driver, just the right size for these heads.

These screws are soft and very easily damaged. Normally the head gets torn up and looks ugly. Zero issues if the plan above is followed.

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I've got Sperzel lockers on 3 guitars. I much prefer the bread and butter Gotoh TK 0880 splits. The Gotoh lockers are clumsier IMO and the Gotohs shown above are clunky IMO next to the basic 0880s.




For MIA and some MIM Fenders the 10mm conversion bushes make for a fairly easy conversion. If your guitar ALREADY has the MIM Ping splits (only the MIM Classic 50s and the Jimmie Vaughan have a Gotoh tuner amongst the MIM Strats) then this Wilkinson described above can replace the Ping with less work. All the ODs and IDs are different, going from Ping splits to Gotoh splits.
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