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Old May 13th, 2012, 11:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Best Tone Capacitors

I'm putting a loaded pickguard together for my strat from D Allen Pickups. And I'm not sure what's the difference between the .033uF PIO .047uF PIO and .1uF

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Old May 14th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The big difference is that 0.047uf caps will give the best all around tone to most Strats, where as a .033 will give more bite or treble, a .1uf will sound mellow or muddy to a lot of players. I have had the best results with Sprague Orange Drop 0.047 caps GC has them in stock most of the time, they are inexpensive, I think like...$5.00 for a three pack. ..........poppa
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Old May 14th, 2012, 06:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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For the most part, when your tone pot is on 10, the cap doesn't mean jack $*^@.

The higher the value, the more your tone will get bassy as you turn the pot from about 7 to 0. That's it.

You may want to try different values to acieve what YOU want out of your tone control use. The cap is a tool the tone control uses to take out highs though the sweep. From left to right there with the ones you listed, they just get more aggressive you could say as far as how dark things get.

Here's a cheap way to know, and they work just fine, I have used a pile of these...................2 for a buck thirty-nine:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2103629

Caps are cheap. On one of my Strats, I took and ran a wire from the tone pots out into the trem block cavity via the trem ground wire hole. Then used the trem claw for a ground and tried different value caps with test leads on the wire to the tone pot. Then when you find a winner, install it next time your change strings. Everything can be tucked in under the trem cover until then..........stealthy !!


It would be a good idea not to Google your question as you will never play your guitar again as you will be reading about this topic 4 EVER !

This is just the tip of the iceberg, much more to follow I'm quite sure.

Happy Pickin' !

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Which one would be the best if I'm trying to achieve a Hendrix tone? .047?
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Old May 14th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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What Steve said.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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all of jimi's guitars have a .1uf tone cap.

his white strat and his black strat both have polypropylene green chicklet caps caps.

they did inspect his guitars and they were found to have these caps.

not that it makes a difference ?

but thats what is in there.


in 69 they went to a ceramic orange drop with .05...my 71 4 bolt has a .047 orange drop.

here is a green chicklet i have from a 68 strat. it is .1 value.
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That's tight! Hahaha ok thanks guys much appreciated :D
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Old May 14th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Btw I'm planning to use the 69 voodoos pickups in my strat. So I hope the .1uF will work great with it
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Old May 14th, 2012, 12:01 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I use .1's in all of my Fender guitars, but I mostly use the tone control as a faux wah. Here's something to remember, the first 2/3rds of CCW rotation is the pot shunting high/high mids to ground, the last 1/3 the cap comes into the picture.
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D.Allen actually supplies .047uf high quality Paper In Oil caps with a lot of his sets!
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Old May 18th, 2012, 10:10 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Nice thread I was just asking D. Allen about the caps he sells.
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Old May 18th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I personally prefer an 0.047uf Orange Drop over just about anything else. It is my opinion that an Orange Drop type cap will retain its proper capacitance value with less degradation over time than a paper in oil type. But that may just be academic. It is mostly the value that matters... 0.047uf sounds good to me... I don't see the reason to go all the way to 0.1uf and 0.022uf is too bright for my taste... 0.033uf might be O.K., I haven't really tried it, but it seems like a half step and I don't see why one would not just go to 0.047uf...
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When using 250k pots with my strats or teles, I use a 0.22uf orange drop. That being said, when I got my D. Allen JM R&B's I swapped out the cap with the one provided. In speaking with David, he said that in order to get the exact tone the pup was designed for, to use that cap. When David says something about his pups, I listen for sure.
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I got the bright idea to cannabilize 1950's pio and piw caps in series from an old reel tape amp. Definite improvement...so not all snake oil and myth.
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all of jimi's guitars have a .1uf tone cap.

his white strat and his black strat both have polypropylene green chicklet caps caps.

they did inspect his guitars and they were found to have these caps.

not that it makes a difference ?

but thats what is in there.


in 69 they went to a ceramic orange drop with .05...my 71 4 bolt has a .047 orange drop.

here is a green chicklet i have from a 68 strat. it is .1 value.
If you read the value printed on it you can see that it is a .068uf (683J)
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I use the .022uf caps. I have a orange one on my white strat with laces and a brown chiclet looking one on my sunburst with dimarzio's. I can't tell a diff between the brands but the setups aren't the same (pickups).

I found the .047uf to be way to drowned out when I adjusted the tone pots. I think .033 is a nice medium I might try it one day.
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Doesn't look like a 0.1uf

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all of jimi's guitars have a .1uf tone cap.

his white strat and his black strat both have polypropylene green chicklet caps caps.

they did inspect his guitars and they were found to have these caps.

not that it makes a difference ?

but thats what is in there.


in 69 they went to a ceramic orange drop with .05...my 71 4 bolt has a .047 orange drop.

here is a green chicklet i have from a 68 strat. it is .1 value.
That is a .068uf polypropylene film cap, not a 0.1.

For those who still can't read the 3 number 1 letter nomenclature system:

. _______________= 68
/\
683J= ?pf; Where J = tolerance= +/-5%
.... \_____________= multiply by 10^3

therefore, 683J = 68000pf +/-5% equiv. to 0.068uf +/-5%
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I got the bright idea to cannabilize 1950's pio and piw caps in series from an old reel tape amp. Definite improvement...so not all snake oil and myth.
What were the values? You do know that putting caps in series reduces the total value, right? 1/total = 1/C1 + 1/C2 + ......
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