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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fender vs Gibson ?

I see this a lot in threads, this comparison of the guitars. I do believe it comes down to personal taste. I own both. So I tried to be fair. I thought long and hard about it. I picked my two favorite guitars out of 11. My 74 Strat, my very first Fender I purchased and my 98 es335. The guitars are totally opposite in style. If I could only have one it would be the Fender, but it's not what you think. It's an attachment because of memories, In all honesty I like the es335 better. Just to many choices! Can't we just get both and all get along? Rock On!

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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree it's kind of a silly question and ultimately boils down to personal preference. Personally I prefer Fenders (hence my presence on this forum - ya think?), but I'd love to add a 335 to my collection.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow!! I was just about to post a thread about this topic. But I was going to ask why most Gibsons cost WAY more than say a MIA fender. That has always confused me....

Personally I like my strat more but I think it's because I can't afford a gibson. But the absolute best guitar I have ever played was a Gibson Custom Shop ES-339. I played it in guitar center for probably 3 hours. straight. lol

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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If you think about it, it all started with Fender and Gibson sounds. Yes, I know Rickenbacker invented the electric guitar in the 20's, but they really did not have a lot of influence until the Ricky 12 in the mid 60's. But all other sounds in music today derive from the Fender and Gibson single coil sound, followed by the Gibson humbuckers in the later 50's. Bigots on either side of this question are ignoring history and the influence each has had on the others sound. I know if I want a single coil sound I grab the strat, if I want the bucker sound I grab the LP. The hybrid hss configuration does not sound like a bucker should, P90's don't sound like a Fender. Just my opinion.

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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Doesn't matter at all. It's the player, not the axe. I am a hardcore Strat guy. My fave guitarist of all time is Ian Bairnson. He played Les Pauls for most of his career. Now he plays PRS guitars but essentially makes them sound like a Les Paul. It's mostly about the notes you play.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I've always wanted an ES-355, but theyre too expensive. Im sure i would end up selling it eventually. They just dont have that sound i love, and ive never been fond of gibson necks. Every gibson ive had ive sold 3-6 months after having it. Theyre great if you want heavy distortion, but the clean tones just arent attractive to me at all.

If i was going to get a hollowbody, id have to go with a Fender coronado.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I personally like both. My teacher used to use a cherry 65 es335 and I have always wanted one. I have a LP and a mij lp copy that both play well. I have 9 strats though, but no two are alike. All have different pup configurations and fill a sonic space for me. I don't consider any to be better than the other, just different. Different tools for different jobs.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I own 8 Strats (4 Fenders and 4 various Squiers) and 2 Gibsons (an SG Standard and an SG Special). I love 'em all. Different feels, different sounds, different vibes. Viva les differences!
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I have to say my two polar opposites in my git family are the ES 335 and my Strats. My Rick 330/12 is in a place on it's own. Very singular instrument in terms of sound and playablilty.

The ES335 was such a Ying to the Strat's Yang. Love them BOTH. But the Strat maybe edges it out for it's versatility.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #10 (permalink)
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My first good guitar was my alpine white Gibson LP and it took me a good year of working and saving to buy it (this was last year). I think it'll always have more sentimental value to me than the stratocaster i'm putting together (which is really nice as well). I might like the strat better one day but i'd still find it easier to sell that than my gibson.

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Old July 13th, 2010, 07:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I like them both !

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Old July 13th, 2010, 07:08 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I like both and depending upon mood will play either on any given day. Trouble is I sound like me whatever I'm using so probably having a collection of both is a pure vanity thing.

BTW to the person who asked why Gibsons are more expensive I was told by a Gibson rep that it took 3 weeks to make a Les Paul. Maybe that has something to do with it. FWIW I think that Gibson's prices are ridiculous (the Custom Shop especially).
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Old July 13th, 2010, 07:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Yeah I understand that a Paul will cost more then a Strat. You're comparing a parts caster to a guitar with binding, carved top, inlays, neck binding, glued in neck, etc. There's ALOT more time and labor put into an LP then a Strat.

However I still think the price they charges is ridiculous. More then a Strat? Sure. 3 to 5 times the cost of a MIA Strat? No, that's crazy. The material costs of these guitars can't be super high, and the labor cost isn't super high because factory people usually get paid *****. I think a $1,000. Strat and a $2,000. LP is reasonable, and to be fair you can get an LP for $2,000. But not one of the nicer ones. Even the Studio in any other color then Faded brown or red is like $1,300. and that's a studio! No binding, no nice cosmetics. Just too overpriced. When you look at the catalog and it says, "Add $520. for colors, white, black, fireburst" I can't help but be annoyed. You can't tell me that to make the guitar white instead of faded brown means the guitar should cost $520. more.


That being said. I love both guitars, they're both very good at doing what they do and pretty terrible at trying to do what the "other guy" does. They both have exceptional strengths.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Yeah I understand that a Paul will cost more then a Strat. You're comparing a parts caster to a guitar with binding, carved top, inlays, neck binding, glued in neck, etc. There's ALOT more time and labor put into an LP then a Strat.

However I still think the price they charges is ridiculous. More then a Strat? Sure. 3 to 5 times the cost of a MIA Strat? No, that's crazy. The material costs of these guitars can't be super high, and the labor cost isn't super high because factory people usually get paid *****. I think a $1,000. Strat and a $2,000. LP is reasonable, and to be fair you can get an LP for $2,000. But not one of the nicer ones. Even the Studio in any other color then Faded brown or red is like $1,300. and that's a studio! No binding, no nice cosmetics. Just too overpriced. When you look at the catalog and it says, "Add $520. for colors, white, black, fireburst" I can't help but be annoyed. You can't tell me that to make the guitar white instead of faded brown means the guitar should cost $520. more.


That being said. I love both guitars, they're both very good at doing what they do and pretty terrible at trying to do what the "other guy" does. They both have exceptional strengths.
dont want to start anything but a faded studio doesn't have a maple cap, the same pickups, a hard shell case, and doesn't have to go through the million coats of nitro.

Gibson's aren't overpriced if you don't go for just cosmetics. I like the way my studio looks and it's a LP through and through and i got it for less than I'm paying for my partscaster.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 07:43 PM   #15 (permalink)
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dont want to start anything but a faded studio doesn't have a maple cap, the same pickups, a hard shell case, and doesn't have to go through the million coats of nitro.

Gibson's aren't overpriced if you don't go for just cosmetics. I like the way my studio looks and it's a LP through and through and i got it for less than I'm paying for my partscaster.
That's kind of my point though, why is that a $1,300. guitar according to MF when it doesn't have any of the stuff you listed. It's a 2/3 piece block of mahogany with a mahogany neck, no binding, and some electronics. This is worth $1,320. for a bare bones LP?

And to the die hard LP guys, they'd say a Studio isn't a real LP because it doesn't have the maple cap. I'M not saying that, just you know, throwing it out there. Personally I consider my Epiphone to be a "real" LP and I'm sure we both know what the Gibson guys think of Epis.

I mean it's been documented in interviews when the new CEO took over Gibson. He doubled the prices because he could, and set about trying to turn the company into a lifestyle company. He doesn't care about getting good guitars into the hands of musicians, he wants to get overpriced reissues into the hands of collectors. They're just not a guitar company anymore, they're a lifestyle/nostalgia company for collectors. Which is why I wont give them my money. They make some nice guitars, but not that nice. Not so nice they can rape me with their prices and then I have to try and talk myself into believing it was worth the raping by making up elaborate fantasies of hand crafting using exquisite tone woods, because that's all BS. They're as CNC'd as every other company making guitars these days.

I like their guitars, but I won't be taken advantage of. The people that pay $5,000. for a LP Custom have to know, they just have to know way down deep inside, they paid way too much. Maybe it's worth it to them for the bragging rights, but it'll never be worth it to me. I can't brag about the brand of guitar I own, I couldn't care less really. I would much rather a fellow guitarist goes, "dude that solo was awesome!" then "Dude that guitar is awesome!"

The guitar doesn't play itself.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
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That's kind of my point though, why is that a $1,300. guitar according to MF when it doesn't have any of the stuff you listed. It's a 2/3 piece block of mahogany with a mahogany neck, no binding, and some electronics. This is worth $1,320. for a bare bones LP?

And to the die hard LP guys, they'd say a Studio isn't a real LP because it doesn't have the maple cap. I'M not saying that, just you know, throwing it out there. Personally I consider my Epiphone to be a "real" LP and I'm sure we both know what the Gibson guys think of Epis.

I mean it's been documented in interviews when the new CEO took over Gibson. He doubled the prices because he could, and set about trying to turn the company into a lifestyle company. He doesn't care about getting good guitars into the hands of musicians, he wants to get overpriced reissues into the hands of collectors. They're just not a guitar company anymore, they're a lifestyle/nostalgia company for collectors. Which is why I wont give them my money. They make some nice guitars, but not that nice. Not so nice they can rape me with their prices and then I have to try and talk myself into believing it was worth the raping by making up elaborate fantasies of hand crafting using exquisite tone woods, because that's all BS. They're as CNC'd as every other company making guitars these days.

I like their guitars, but I won't be taken advantage of. The people that pay $5,000. for a LP Custom have to know, they just have to know way down deep inside, they paid way too much. Maybe it's worth it to them for the bragging rights, but it'll never be worth it to me. I can't brag about the brand of guitar I own, I couldn't care less really. I would much rather a fellow guitarist goes, "dude that solo was awesome!" then "Dude that guitar is awesome!"

The guitar doesn't play itself.
I was talking about the les paul studio faded which doesnt have a maple cap and all that stuff and is only $800. A regular studio has everything a regular LP has just no binding and I bought mine brand new for $1108 (with some discounts of course). And I agree about the player not guitar but a nice gibson or fender never hurt anyone! =)
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I would LOOOOOOVE a 339!!!
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Old July 13th, 2010, 08:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yes you're talking about the faded, but you're missing my point completely. Yes the faded is $799. as long as you want faded brown or red. My point is if you want that same exact guitar in white or black, you've got to cough up another $520. just for that solid color.

That's ridiculous and insulting to the customer. Seriously over $500. for a white paintjob? I mean really?
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I like my strats better than my Gibsons, always have. It just feels better to me, always did.

But the gibson is a better guitar, by far. Always will be. No comparison.
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I bought a Faded Gibson V because it was affordable, and it was nothing compared to a higher priced V ive always wanted, so i traded it for my green 89 USA strat. It might as well been an Epiphone IMO. To get a really good gibson, you have to spend the extra money.
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