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Old April 28th, 2011, 03:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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cap and resistor values for treble bleed.

What are some recommendations? The guitar has the Grease bucket tone circuit with TS pup's. On a Seymour Duncan site they recommend a .002 Cap and 100K resistor. Just curious what you guys use.
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Old April 28th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sound like most of the circuits I have seen...
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Old April 28th, 2011, 04:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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I read up a little on it. Seems it works by cutting the bass when you roll the volume pot back. Different values will cut more bass than others.

Here is the Klein treble bleed w/specs
Treble Bleed Guitar Mod

And an article
Alan Ratcliffe - Articles: Electric Guitar Volume Pots 2: Treble Bleed Mods

I'm getting a headache trying to figure it out lol.
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Old April 28th, 2011, 07:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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don't need it. just do the fezz parka, or 50's wiring mod. no extra components, and the treble roll off is solved without effecting the low end.
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don't need it. just do the fezz parka, or 50's wiring mod. no extra components, and the treble roll off is solved without effecting the low end.
I wasn't asking about other wiring diagrams, that's why I named the thread "cap and resistor values for treble bleed," as that's what I'm interested in.
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EDIT: That came off a little rude...not my intention, sorry.
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Old April 30th, 2011, 12:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I wasn't asking about other wiring diagrams, that's why I named the thread "cap and resistor values for treble bleed," as that's what I'm interested in.
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EDIT: That came off a little rude...not my intention, sorry.
no worries. i am suggesting something much simpler and better sounding. once you compare the trreble bleed to a 50's mod, you will understand. the guitar sounds the same as you roll off the volume. no treble loss, no low end loss.
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Old April 30th, 2011, 12:27 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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That's what I'm seeing as I read up on it. With the bleed, the more you roll back the volume, the more you roll off the lows. And it "sounds" like the treble increases. With the 50's mod, rolling back the volume does just that, while retaining the tone.

So it depends on what appeals to the player.
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Old April 30th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #8 (permalink)
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no worries. i am suggesting something much simpler and better sounding. once you compare the trreble bleed to a 50's mod, you will understand. the guitar sounds the same as you roll off the volume. no treble loss, no low end loss.
Well then, the 50's mod seems to be more ideal. Kind of like getting your cake and eating it too.
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Old April 30th, 2011, 08:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Well then, the 50's mod seems to be more ideal. Kind of like getting your cake and eating it too.
exactly.
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exactly.
you guys have a link for that wiring diagram?
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Thanks for the link Hugh..I have several Strats with the treble bleed and can now compare them with the 50's wiring..
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Thanks for the link Hugh..I have several Strats with the treble bleed and can now compare them with the 50's wiring..
Keep us posted...I'm very interested.
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0.001mf capacitor in parallel with 150k ohm resistor does it for me.
I prefer 5% tolerances, although I probably cannot hear a difference with 10%.
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The downside of the 50's wiring is the interaction between the volume and tone pots. Here's a good quick summary from WalterW on thegearpage.net:

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it makes the volume drop off really fast when the tone's down, and turns the tone into another volume when the volume's down.
If you leave the tone up most of the time, it may never be an issue for you.
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0.001mf capacitor in parallel with 150k ohm resistor does it for me.
I prefer 5% tolerances, although I probably cannot hear a difference with 10%.
How many watts ? 1/4 watt?
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A standard 1/4 watt is more than enough. You could use an 1/8 watt if you are limited on space.
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The downside of the 50's wiring is the interaction between the volume and tone pots. Here's a good quick summary from WalterW on thegearpage.net:



If you leave the tone up most of the time, it may never be an issue for you.
i use linear pots for volume, so the dropping really fast in volume is not an issue.
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What are some recommendations? The guitar has the Grease bucket tone circuit with TS pup's. On a Seymour Duncan site they recommend a .002 Cap and 100K resistor. Just curious what you guys use.
Thanks
I hear you asking one question, but I cant help but notice you have the Greesebucket? Are you trying to replicate that? Or are you trying to do the treble bleed?
Am I mistaken in believing that they are different?

I had the Greesebucket on a set of TexMex...and it appeared to do more than what I suppose a treble bleed does, but then again Ive never tried a treble bleed.
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Top man Sprocket, don't think any mod will work with the greasebucket; it's a start from scratch rewire here?
I crowbarred the greasebucket out, and started again with .02's and an Acne wiring kit.
Still not happy, I think I want too much!
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