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Discussion in 'Home Recording Studio' started by thomquietwolf, May 23, 2019.

  1. thomquietwolf

    thomquietwolf Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    How do home recorders make a recording....
    Sound like
    There is a band in the room...
    I'd love to be able to do that...
    Is Wizardry involved?
     
  2. ido1957

    ido1957 Senior Stratmaster

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    I have never tried to do it. Everything is tracked individually because everyone lives in different countries.
    Best guess - use the same room reverb on everything. Or track it all at the same time as a band.
     
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    I think this is the answer.
    Have the collaborators record "dry" and add reverb in the mixdown.
    Have the collaborators record "dry" and play each track into a mic'd cabinet and use that recording for the final mix.

    Option 2 will probably be more natural sounding since the dry signal through the cab (preferably different cabs) *is* how you record a band in the same room.
    Option 1 runs the risk of sounding too 80's overproduced... especially if you gate the reverb :D
     
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    I just record everything myself, in the room. I start with a drum track, add bass, piano, strings, guitars and other things.

    It all started about 1965 when I found the overdub button on my Dad's 4-track reel to reel tape recorder. I can make one hell of a racket now... :D

     
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    It's going to be pretty rare for any of us regular folks to have a good sounding room. For purposes of home recording, building the song in layers is going to be what you will want to do and if you want a room, as earlier posted, that will be in mixing and use of plugins, most especially reverb.
     
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    Have this on a buss or two and send the tracks to it:

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    Creating a believable space and soundstage takes a bit of thought, as well as technique.

    Technique can be learned, and the ear can be trained to hear these phenomena.

    Reverb is a piece of the puzzle, early reflections are another, delay, pan and EQ are others.

    A space is needed to place the instrumentation, which is where reverb or room sims come into place.

    Early reflections help define where a source is placed within a space.

    Delay helps define the distance of the source to the listener, and EQ comes into play when considering the distance to the intended position of the source.

    As source distance increases, high frequency drops off and eventually low frequency as well.

    Pan, places the source left to right within the sound stage.

    Other considerations are transient response, dynamics, and diffision

    A source will lose some apparent transient energy as the distance increases, and dynamics become somewhat damped.

    This is the reason that placing a vocalist at some distance from the microphone helps smooth dynamics and lowers sibilant energy.

    A distant source will sound more diffuse than one that is close to the listener.

    As distance changes, so does the direct to reflected sound ratio.

    I'll posts a few links to get you started in the process.

    Found this playlist which includes several videos from Michael White, a great teacher of things audio.

    https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnQ4164MwIe3B5pnRe-oecL6XpBDulTRx
     
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    I did this for one of the jams here. So it sounded like I was sitting in with T-Bone, I had to put us all in the same "space". The Lexicon Room plugin on a buss sent me back in time to Central Ave. and joined Mr. Walker on the stage.

     
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    Sean Connery voice: that's a lovely plug in, lad.
     
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    I record it dry one track at a time and then mix down is where you make sound live.
    This was done all direct or close mic'd, in an apartment.

     
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    Keep things as simple as you can. “Capturing” a good performance that also sounds good is number one.
    A band in a room? or just the vibe of a live band?
    Avoid too many overdubs and punch-ins.
    realistic sounding drums is a biggie. EZ Drummer is a good easy to use program.
    This is a drum track, a bass track and a stereo guitar track.
     
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    When you get it mixed the way you like copy and paste that track over the original at about a fraction of a second off. It really makes the sound fat.
    I have a bizarre example of that on this video. I was just fooling around and did about 3 "time shifts"...Check it out!

     
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    Well, first I did the comping, then I recorded another trac with a bass line and lastly I recorded a third trac with a melody line. I didn't have a drum machine so there wasn't a drum trac. But I used a click trac in some headphones so I could keep track of the count.

    it was a four trac recorder so it was pretty cheesy...but it was enough.

    i don't like not having an engineer in a control room.
     
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  14. fezz parka

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    I wanted this to sound like a big band / orchestra playing in the big room at United Recorders in 1965.



    Sounds live to me.

    But it's all virtual instruments. :)
     
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    Did you score Jonny Quest?

    Cool!!!
     
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    No Hoyt Curtin did. :)

    I did that nine years ago. Another I've got is the theme from UFO by Barry Gray. Love that one.
     
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    Awww...fart.
    But You coulda ya know...!
    I mean, throughout your score, I could see Race Bannon coming to Haji's rescue...with Dr. Zin swearing at you...him...them...
    Whatever...
    I'm on acid or something.
     
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  18. fezz parka

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    I loved JQ. It was James Bond for kids.
     
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  19. fezz parka

    fezz parka The Return of the Red Helmet Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Trying to sound like 1937-1947 is tougher. But it can be done. This is a contrafact of Minor Swing. It was fun to time travel.

     
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    a Teac 4 trac circa 1989. I was guessing where I had started the comping, which I had recorded first...and missed with the bass lead in.
    I played a Strat into a Deluxe Reverb Mic'd with a Shure 57 in a room with a few pillows behind the microphone and about 3 feet behind the amp.
    I played a Squier Bass into a Bassman 10, mic'd with that same Shure 57



    This was done on a 175 some years later...I think in 95 or 96. I used a digitech delay and the DR's reverb.
     
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