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Almost All OD's sound bad...

Discussion in 'The Effect effect' started by gilmourstrat, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. gilmourstrat

    gilmourstrat Senior Stratmaster

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    ... and this is really strange!

    I'm in the market for a nice OD/DS to use on my Pink Floyd tribute band. I bought a Buffalo-FX Evolution which, on every video, review, etc sounded AMAZING and when tried with my Road Worn 50's Strat (stock pickups) and AC30 sounded crap. But I mean really bad... tinny, "tin-can" sound.

    I thought it was the combination pedal->amp that just didn't work and I returned the pedal.

    Now I bought a TC Electronic VPD1 (Vintage Pre-Drive), again great in videos, reviews, etc and the same thing! Sounded crap thru my guitar->amp. This time I tested on another amp (smaller one) and same result! Cables are good so... guitar???

    Being a purchase for the Pink Floyd band I really need it to work with the (a?) Strat. The guitar sounds amazing on cleans, chorus, no gain loss to my ears... why on OD/DS sound like crap?

    Should the Tex-Mex sound this crap on OD's/DS? Or do you think I have some other issue going on?
     
  2. usul1978

    usul1978 Guitar bricolo Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Tex Mex PU wouldn't be my first idea for a PF sound...

    You can't try with another guitar/pickups ?

    Just in case, but I guess you know that already, have a look on gilmourish.com.
     
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  3. Swampash

    Swampash Senior Stratmaster

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    The Buffalo is a Big Muff variant isn't it? Waaaaay too full-range for an AC30. You want something with a Tube Screamer mid-hump, something like a... Tube Screamer.
     
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  4. Dadocaster

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    What specific tone are you chasing?
     
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  5. gilmourstrat

    gilmourstrat Senior Stratmaster

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    Yes I will try it with another guitar tonight. I guess I hadn't yet because the Road Worn is my only Strat and the guitar I use for this project.


    I think the Evolution is a combination of a Big Muff with a Powerbooster(?). I know AC30's are picky with OD's and that's why I thought it was the pedal-> amp combination. But this VPD1 is supposedly a British amp on full type overdrive so it should work with the AC30 (I think).

    I love his Gdansk tone. Pulse is great but he used EMG's there (active) so there's a great difference there. Gdansk he used Black Strat. I know the pickups are not the same, guitar, amps, effects etc and I don't even dream in get the exact same tone but at least a usable OD/DS? Because this really sound tinny. Even with drive all way up sounded like it just have a small amount of it. It should be, at least, over the top...
     
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  6. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    my band currently do Comfortably Numb and I rip him off pretty well using any Strat
    First solo i use pos 4 and then pos 2 or 1 for the 2nd solo
    I usually have Alnico II SD pickups or Amalfitano 62s
    through a Modded Boss CS3, Boss 59 Bassman and then back out of my Mesa Boogie Nomad to a TC Nova delay I dont use a lot of distortion though i aim for a smooth sustain with a bit of dirt
    I also have a couple of EMG Gilmour pickup sets and they work well too
    but I wouldnt say Tex specials were the road to go down personally although i will try my Strat with a set on friday and get back to you
     
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  7. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    Oh and this helps sometimes!!! LOL
    funnily enough and quite by chance this had a Kahler fitted in the 80s when they were all the rage and then returned to std a while back
    Gilmour.jpg
     
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  8. gilmourstrat

    gilmourstrat Senior Stratmaster

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    Many thanks for testing the pickups :)

    I will also try with another guitar today (totally different guitar/pickups) to see if the issue occurs also.
     
  9. usul1978

    usul1978 Guitar bricolo Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Has it had an xlr socket too ?
     
  10. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    Not quite an XLR socket but pretty much everything else has been done over the years to the poor girl!!
    But you must wear this too
    20190206_102119_resized.jpg
     
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  11. gilmourstrat

    gilmourstrat Senior Stratmaster

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    :D:D:D
     
  12. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    It got me thinking so ive just been out to my studio in the garden and tried the Texas Specials through my rig
    RW 62 strat alder body
    Tex pickups and it sounds pretty much ok to me

    not a floyd number i know but here is the same guitar through the same pedal amp set up a while back
     
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  13. Robins

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    Well, Dave always used the B.K.Butler TubeDriver and a clean amp (HIWATT or Bassman) to the best of my knowledge.
    And a compressor in front if needed. But he used EMG single coils (I think it is more to get less noises from his guitar).
    It is more his playing than anything else in my opinion.

    Not playing like Dave at all but talking about sound.
    I did this with just an amp and no FX (well, delay and mild reverb). Fender Stratocaster Antigua, stock pickups.


    All the best,
    Robin
     
  14. Electgumbo

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    Try a Pro Co Rat.
     
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    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    I think the compressor is the key to it rather than the type of distortion
     
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  16. Outlier73

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    I was going to suggest the same as Fretmeltkid. I just added a new compressor (Keeley 4 button) to my board and while playing around with settings thought to myself, "wow this is very pink floyd sounding".
     
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    AC 30's are pretty light in the mids,maybe an EQ to boost the mids would help. Wasn't Gilmour using a Boss HM-2 for awile?
     
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  18. Textele

    Textele Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I am not a huge Dave tone chaser at all. But my band does a couple of Floyd songs.

    Almost all of Gilmour's studio lead cuts are highly processed, regardless of what guitar he uses. No way to know really what is post or pre production on the albums.

    I do know he uses a lot of gain to get the guitar to sing. Not distortion really, but to sustain.

    Live, he sounds incredible too.

    But there are certainly different set-ups for both live and studio work.

    The Pro Co Rat, like @Electgumbo recommended is probably a great place to start, and maybe mix in the Butler. (and the delays, more than one, set for different repeats will add to the sustaining effect)

    His hands, of course are his biggest asset. :cool:
     
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  19. gilmourstrat

    gilmourstrat Senior Stratmaster

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    Wow many thanks for all the replies and insights. I already learned a lot! :)

    I tried the pedal with another guitar (the pickups are SC but wired in series - meaning that when two are together they gave an humbucker flavour to the sound, really thickens things up!) and I like it better but still not "usable". So problem maybe the chain.

    I just tried guitar->pedal->amp. I will add my G-System on the equation (compression, delays, etc) and see if it improves it.

    I will let you know :)
     
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  20. heltershelton

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    heres what i found with overdrive pedals and my ac30.....
    boss super overdrive was ok but sounded a bit nasal.
    the seymour duncan 805 was killer and im an idiot for selling it.
    the tube screamer was ok but produced way too many mids
    the blues driver had a high end fizz at any setting and i couldnt get rid of it.
    the ocd v. 1.7 is on my board now and is staying.
    i also have a analogman bad bob and its also staying.
     
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