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Alternating Scales over 12-Bar?

Discussion in 'Tab & Music Forum' started by TangerineDog, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. TangerineDog

    TangerineDog Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 5, 2015
    The EU
    And before you tell me to simply try it - I can't! I'm stuck without a guitar 'til the weekend finally gets going!

    So what I'm wondering is this:
    If you had a Blues Rhythm playing, just the usual I-IV-V in A, and were to play over it in Minor Pentatonic Scales, would you always stick with the A Minor Pentatonic Scale or could you play the d or e scales over the D and E parts?
     

  2. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

    Dec 1, 2009
    My house.
    Yes.
     
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  3. Stratoskater

    Stratoskater Senior Stratmaster

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    Feb 8, 2011
    Raleigh NC
    I would play from the D and E as well. Play to the chords.
     
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  4. TangerineDog

    TangerineDog Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 5, 2015
    The EU
    The bartender asks three Philosophers: 'Y'all want another drink?'
    The first one says: 'No idea', the second one says 'I don't know'.
    The third one says 'Yes.'
     

  5. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 27, 2018
    North Central NC
    It's two very different results, and both are common.
     

  6. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    i like to use a dorian pattern from the root of the I if its a blues with dominant chords. sometimes.
     
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  7. Chont

    Chont Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 25, 2012
    Pennsylvania
    Switch to A major Pent on the IV chord?
     

  8. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

    Dec 1, 2009
    My house.
    ?

    Try it. I dont think you will like it.
     
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  9. Swampash

    Swampash Senior Stratmaster

    Jun 13, 2012
    Here
    what are the chords? the answer to that question will tell you which scales are appropriate.
     

  10. TheDuck

    TheDuck Most Honored Senior Member

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    Jan 12, 2016
    Lil' Rhody
    I would stay within the A minor pent and move the root notes of my licks to follow the chord changes.

    For me it works better than changing scales as the band moves through the songs progression.
     
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  11. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    i think it sounds cool to start with maj pent over the I then play min pent over the IV. then do something whacked out over the V.
     
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  12. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    i never really liked switching to D pent maj or min over the IV or E pent over the V either.
    id rather do something based on the dominant arpeggio. or just get blind stinking drunk and play whatever.:p:whistling:
     
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  13. rocknrollrich

    rocknrollrich Senior Stratmaster

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    Jan 8, 2016
    philadelphia
    Really, only certain notes will sound "good" with a typical progression like that.
    Unless... your rhythm player starts using extensions and chord substitutions.
    That opens up more colorful possibilities.

    You could always play "outside" notes, but unless you use them wisely, it just sounds like nonsense to most people.

    A good experiment to try tho is using passing notes (notes not in the chord you're playing over) in a certain rhythmic way.

    Try using chord tones on the downbeat, and the upbeat, but use passing tones on an upbeat only.

    This will add a depth to your playing more than trying to squeeze some outside scale onto a progression.
    Try it. You may love it.
     
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  14. Dick Blackmore

    Dick Blackmore Strat-O-Master

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    Jan 10, 2017
    San Diego
    I would look to introduce some outside notes, in particular the blue notes Eb, Ab, and Bb. I would also superimpose C Major ideas (the pentatonic scales you want to use are all 'inside' C Major). I would avoid playing the root notes of each chord. Once comfortable with the progression I would start thinking in terms of intervals to jump off the arpeggios and looking for a way to fit in Melodic Minor and Harmonic Minor.
     
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  15. JohnnyL

    JohnnyL Strat-O-Master

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    Dec 25, 2010
    Israel
    I never stick to the Am Pentatonic. Always add the 6th (F#) to Maj Blues.

    If you want a really cool trick - add the D Major Blues scale to the D7 chord and the E Major Blues scale to the E7. The D MB is basically a B Minor Pentatotnic with a blue note. So what you get on tge last 4 bars is your favorire Minor Pentatonic pattern moving a step down on these roots: C# B A A. Really easy to find and sounds great...
     
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  16. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 27, 2018
    North Central NC
    That sounds funny enough that I'm going to have to try whacked out stuff on V and see what happens. Any particular whacked out ideas?
     

  17. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    right off the top of my head.....
    try a mixolydian arpeggio (E7) starting on any of the notes of E7......hell try them all
    and a diminished scale or arpeggio starting on the vii.(G)
    try starting on all the notes of those also.
    these kinds of things will resolve nicely to the I.
    if you wanna jazz it up a bit you could also do a 2-5-1 arpeggio thing over the V. (B- E-A) not just the notes B, E, and A but a B arpeggio, an E arpeggio, and then an A arpeggio resolving to something in the A7 chord. you figure out the tonality of each to see what you like.
    you can also get blind stinkin drunk and do whatever.:D:p
     
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  18. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 27, 2018
    North Central NC
    Ha, those are some wild ideas. I get it, thanks. :)
     
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  19. AxemanVR

    AxemanVR I appreciate, therefore I am... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 8, 2014
    Minnesota USA
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    I use the "Dorian pattern" trick quite often, along with "passing notes" (very quickly so as not to emphasize them) since it makes it seem like you're doing a lot more than what you really are...

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  20. Mutnemom52

    Mutnemom52 Strat-Talker

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    Kentucky
    For a jazzy feel,try some chromatics on the E turnaround.
     
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