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American Professional and Treble Bleed

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Silverstrat69, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    Hi, first post here. I'm looking for some advice. My 91 american strat I've had since I was a kid is on its last legs so I was looking into getting a new one. The American Professional strat was what I was looking at, but theres one thing that worries me... The treble bleed part on the volume pot! I like to use the volume pot on my strat to adjust my tone. I find that putting the volume down to around 6-7 is a much more effective way to get a softer pillowy tone instead of using the tone knobs...

    So can anyone with the American professional offer and thoughts on your experience with this? I guess alot of it is personal preference but I really think it would throw me off from what I'm used to. Also does anyone know if the treble bleed circuit is easy to remove if I decide to get the professional but don't like the treble bleed? Any advice or thoughts, or maybe I should just look for an older model? This might be the only thing thats holding me back from buying this guitar, but maybe I'm making too big of a deal about it. Thanks!
     

  2. Stratoskater

    Stratoskater Senior Stratmaster

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    Feb 8, 2011
    Raleigh NC
    Have you played one? The best way to tell is to play one and see. In the end though it's a treble bleed, when you turn the volume down you will have still pretty much the same tone you had on 10 just quieter. IME they do not have the same effect of a softer sound you get when you turn down a non treble bleed volume pot.
     
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  3. Murphcaster

    Murphcaster Strat-O-Master

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    Oct 17, 2013
    West Virginia
    Trying one would be best. I wouldn't let a treble bleed sway me from purchasing a guitar though as they're simple and easy to remove.
     
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  4. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    Thanks for replying! Yes I have played a couple and I liked it, but the volume thing was pretty weird to me. I like the compression and dulling of the older volume pots. With the treble bleed it just seems to get thinner as you turn it down. Its good to know you can remove it easily though!
     

  5. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    Easy to remove and also still fairly easy to try different component values to adjust it for your own tastes, if you don't like it's original functionality. If you like everything else about the guitar, I would not let the treble bleed steer you away.

    On another note. You say that: "My 91 american strat I've had since I was a kid is on its last legs so I was looking into getting a new one." In what ways do you feel it's "on it's last legs?" If it's fret wear, the frets can be replaced, for much less than the price of a new guitar, even if upgraded to stainless frets. This would allow you to retain the use of your long time friend and companion. Very little wears out on a guitar other than frets, maybe tuning machines and to a much lesser degree, threaded hardware bits and pieces. If on the other hand, you're simply "GASSING" for a new guitar, have at it, but I implore you not to let your old tried and true friend go away! You more than likely WILL regret it in the long run!

    Just My Sincerest Advice!
    Gene

    Oh, and welcome to the forum!:cool:
     
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  6. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    Yea I agree with you on keeping the old guitar. I really do love her and she has been with me forever, but the neck has become warped from New England weather / ocean air and have been told by my tech that the truss rod is no longer useful. I did look into just getting a new neck, which is still an option I suppose, but i just dont know where to look for a good replacement besides ebay. And If i buy a new neck and have to pay someone to put it on and set it up I'm guessing it will cost me $500+ for all that, so thats why I was considering a new guitar. But maybe you are right, I should consider just getting a new neck, or maybe trying to find a tech to straighten mine out and refret but I'm guessing that would be more expensive than just buying a new neck. Thats good advice though, and definitely something I'm considering. Thank you!
     

  7. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    Warmoth makes a great neck and installing it is not much more complicated than 4 screws and a good setup! A lot depends on what you currently have and how handy you are!
    Just Sayin'
    Gene
     

  8. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    Yea I agree with you on keeping the old guitar. I really do love her and she has been with me forever, but the neck has become warped from New England weather / ocean air and have been told by my tech that the truss rod is no longer useful. I did look into just getting a new neck, which is still an option I suppose, but i just dont know where to look for a good replacement besides ebay. And If i buy a new neck and have to pay someone to put it on and set it up I'm guessing it will cost me $500+ for all that, so thats why I was considering a new guitar. But maybe you are right, I should consider just getting a new neck, or maybe trying to find a tech to straighten mine out and refret but I'm guessing that would be more expensive than just buying a new neck. Thats good advice though, and definitely something I'm considering. Thank you!
     

  9. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    Great I'm looking at their website but theres so many options. Do you know what would be most similar to a 91 american std shape? Im guessing is 9.5 radius and C-shape? Also any recommendations on fret wire? I dont know too much about that, but I will do some more research. Thank you!
     

  10. Murphcaster

    Murphcaster Strat-O-Master

    678
    Oct 17, 2013
    West Virginia
    Absolutely agree with this, which is why I dislike them. I noticed a lot of fullness/bass lost. It sounded so thin and brittle with the volume rolled off that I didn't think twice about removing it from a Strat of mine that came stock with one.
     
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  11. BuddyHollywood

    BuddyHollywood Strat-Talker

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    Jul 22, 2011
    Venice, CA
    I just noticed a new post where someone is selling their Blacktop neck. These are really good feeling necks.
     
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  12. Kdawg1966

    Kdawg1966 Strat-Talker

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    Agree with the above.

    Highly recommend Warmoth. As long as you know the specs you prefer in a neck, they will do you right and then some. Good luck.
     
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  13. Kdawg1966

    Kdawg1966 Strat-Talker

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    I'm not for certain about a '91 neck but I think you're correct with the 9.5 C-shape. As far as fret wire, I'd highly recommend stainless steel in whatever size you want. I've yet to talk to anyone that's tried it that didn't love it - bending is so much smoother.

    Also, I might recommend that if you haven't already, you could try out other neck sizes/profiles at your local Guitar Center. For quite a few years I thought I was a thinner neck guy but after trying out a Clapton and an American Original 50's, I finally realized I'm a thicker neck guy (less fatiguing on my hands, feels much better playing chords, and I don't feel like I've given up anything as far as speed goes) - maybe it has to do with my aging body, but whatever it is, it sure works better for me. I recently ordered a compound radius 'Boatneck' from Warmoth and absolutely love it. Good luck.
     
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  14. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    Yes Ive been looking around on their website for 30 mins now trying to figure out all the different options. The roasted maple with rosewood board looks really nice so thats what i'm leaning towards right now. But other than that I'm not sure what other options to get. Sometimes to many options can be bad haha, especially when I dont know all the small details. I sent them an email so hopefully they can help me narrow down my options. Thank you!
     

  15. Wrighty

    Wrighty Senior Stratmaster

    Mar 7, 2013
    Harlow, Essex, UK
    Before you consider even a new neck, how sure are you that the original is beyond repair. I am not doubting the abilities of your guitar tech but some are more experienced and can do more major ‘surgery’.
     
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  16. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    I trust him, I know people who drive 2+ hours to bring their guitars to him and has a great reputation so I dont think he would say he cant fix it if it wasnt an issue. From my understanding the truss rod is tightened all the way and theres still too much relief. When I play around the 12th fret my action is crazy high and intonation is off. I guess it was just all the temperature and weather changes over time and the fact that I didnt really know how to take care of it when I was younger. Maybe I'm wrong but I just assumed that trying to have a specialist try to fix it, or replace the truss rod would cost more than its worth, but as you can see I dont know alot about the technical workings of my strat sadly haha.
     

  17. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    Well warmouth got back to me and said that 9.5 radius w/ modern C shape and 6105 frets would probably be closest to what I have now. I guess I'll have to do some more research and find out what I need. SOrry this thread has nothing to do with the original title now, but thanks for all of the advice so far. I might be able to keep my old guitar after all.
     

  18. CyFan4036

    CyFan4036 Strat-Talker

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  19. Silverstrat69

    Silverstrat69 Strat-Talk Member

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    Also what nut do you like on the warmoth. I noticed they dont have bone as one of the options?
     

  20. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    Do you use or want to use your wiggle stick? Bears some consideration when thinking of nuts! o_O :p

    BTW, Warmoth's up charge for the roasted maple is less expensive than having the neck finished, unless you finish it yourself. Do you think you want an unfinished or finished neck? Using a regular maple unit, with no finish voids the warranty, but roasted and some of the other woods are okay. Is your current fingerboard rosewood or maple?

    When perusing the "Build Your Own" portion of their website, clicking on the question mark(?) next to each option will open a small window with descriptions/explanations. Their "VINTAGE/MODERN" line is likely what you want to start with in a standard thin. I highly recommend upgrading (for $20) to stainless frets either SS6105 or SS6150 (a little wider) and they were spot on with the 9.5" straight radius at a $35 up charge. With stainless frets, you never need to refret again!

    Feel free to run your thoughts past us before your purchase.

    Just Sayin'
    Gene
     
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