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An odd bird, USA Epiphone LP?

Discussion in 'Other Guitar Discussion' started by kbraker, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. kbraker

    kbraker Strat-Talker

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  2. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito
    That is one odd ball. The body shape is wrong for a LP, the horn is angled and shaped wrong. The headstock is wrong shape both for a Gibson and an Epi. The inlay is wrong and misshaped, tuners are wrong, the electronics cavity is shaped wrong..Etc

    I don't know who this was meant to fool.
     
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  3. Percy

    Percy Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    I thought Epi's were made in Asia.Normally with fakes the serial number font is brighter looking.
    A cool looking guitar....
     

  4. LikeAMotherF

    LikeAMotherF New Member!

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    I can tell you in no uncertain terms that thing is as fake as they come. Gibson moved Epiphone production to Asia in 1970, and it has stayed there since. That being said, there have been a number of Epiphone models that were produced here in the states at the Gibson factory. (The Spirit and SGII are two good examples, as well as the more-recent Wilshire reissues.) The guitar in question, however, is absolutely *not* one of them!
     
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  5. TheDuck

    TheDuck Most Honored Senior Member

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    I agree with the above post. That guitar is a fake, and a bad one.
    Look at the tuning pegs. See anything amiss?
    How about the logo?
     

  6. IronSchef

    IronSchef Senior Stratmaster

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    You could certainly get confirmation from the folks on Epi-talk if you want - but I agree w e-1 else, it has to be a fake (Epis were never made in USA, AFAIK)
     

  7. Percy

    Percy Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Fake it is then!!!!

    375.00 for a Fake Epi is imo way too much.....offer him 50.00 biggen's:thumb:
     

  8. Stratoskater

    Stratoskater Senior Stratmaster

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    Epiphone was made in US until 1971 right beside the Gibson factory. "Epiphone instruments made between 1957 and 1970 were made beside the Gibson factory at 224 Parsons (Gibson located at 225 Parsons) St and on Elenor St; Kalamazoo, MI 49007". In fact at one point they were one of the premier guitars around. Gibson moved them overseas years after purchasing them. One of the main reasons was they Epi quality was killing Gibson's and decreasing their sales.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphone
     

  9. Namelyguitar

    Namelyguitar Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 3, 2009
    Mobile Bay
    According to the Wiki article, Epi was aquired by CMI in 1957, and CMI also owned Gibson at the time. They were owned by the same parent then, though Epiphone's overseas production probably began over a decade later?
     
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  10. crawdaddy

    crawdaddy Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 11, 2010
    Valley o Sun
    After reading this thread it reminded me of a book that I have...."Epiphone, The Complete History" (and not the new paperback book out now).....I remember someone offering me $100 for the book about 10 years ago....

    Should have sold it....just went to Amazon and see they are selling from $10 to $65....dang....

    Anyone remember the "EPI" guitars of the early 80's (I think)....they were acoustic's built overseas that were guaranteed to fall apart within 6 months...

    To my knowledge (though it is fading)....I don't recall EPI every building an LP model here in the states...
     

  11. Stratoskater

    Stratoskater Senior Stratmaster

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    Yes, after Epi was taking many of Gibson's sales away due to being same (or sometimes better) quality and a lower cost (since everyone knew the Gibson name) they sent production overseas so it would no longer be a USA made guitar. My guess is they also thought quality would suffer and lead to consumers buying the US made Gibson. This was at a time when folks in the US would not dare buy any Asian made car over a good quality American made automobile. Then came the gas crisis and suddenly those little Asian cars with their great gas mileage became popular.
     

  12. LBXPDX

    LBXPDX Strat-Talker

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    Mar 18, 2015
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    Actually Epiphone had a model called the Spirit that was made in the early 80's in Kalamazoo. I believe there was another model made in the US too. There are a few Sheratons that have made in USA stamps. Bodies made in Japan and shipped over here, USA electronics and finish. I've only come across one and I was not terribly impresssed.
     

  13. jjudas

    jjudas Strat-O-Master

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    May 18, 2016
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    It looks like an Aliexpresso fake.
     

  14. John C

    John C Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 17, 2012
    Kansas City
    I remember those - basically an LP Special with a thin figured top. Essentially they were trying to compete with Hamer Sunburst, which of course was a copy of/homage to the LP Special.

    For some reason I think that the Spirits wound up with the Gibson name for their final year of production.
     

  15. garyhoos1

    garyhoos1 Huffing n Puffing. Silver Member

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    I never knew the Wiltshire reissue was made in the US, played a reissue around 5 or 6 years ago in my local shop, only through the Jonny Winter connection, "out of interest" even though his may have been a coronet, nice player but not a looker.:thumb:
     

  16. LikeAMotherF

    LikeAMotherF New Member!

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    Actually, most of the Wilshires you'll see in shops are made overseas. But there was one model, the Wilshire 1962 ReIssue, that was made in the Gibson Custom shop. They have two P90s (where the Asian versions come stock with humbuckers or mini humbuckers) and the price tag usually starts around $1,500, going up depending on how little they really want to sell it!

    Also- the Epiphone Spirit was a Doublecut Les Paul body style, and came with one or two humbuckers. Like someone mentioned above, they were reminiscent of Hamer. But they typically had a flat top, like a LP Special. If I remember correctly, it's the opposite of what someone else said- only the first year did they use the Epiphone make- the other two or three years that they were in production they were branded as Gibson. But I could be mistaken on that. They are easy to identify because they say Epiphone USA on the headstock, and they have the typical Gibson open-book headstock.
     
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  17. John C

    John C Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 17, 2012
    Kansas City
    That was me; I couldn't remember when they switched from Epiphone to Gibson, but thinking back on it I believe you're right: Epiphone only for the first year, Gibson for the other 2 years.

    Hamers were also flat-tops back then, with the string-through-the-body "sustain block" bridges. Hamer had the "Sunburst", which had body binding standard and you could get the neck "bound and crowned" as an option, and they had the "Special" model with no binding at all (plus they had different decals spelling out the model under the "Hamer" decal). I used to really be into the Hamers at that time (82-84ish) but never wound up pulling the trigger on one until the 1990s when they had relaunched the Sunburst model with a carved top - I had the Studio version so no binding and dot markers.
     

  18. carver

    carver The East Coast Strangler Strat-Talk Supporter

    I cant seem to remember clearly (that happens from time to time)

    but... I kinda remember epiphone had a few USA made releases in the 80s?

    but then again I also tend to take my dreams into the real world. just the other day I woke up and asked my wife if everything went well with the car..

    there was nothing wrong with the car...
     

  19. tim gueguen

    tim gueguen Strat-Talker

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    Sep 3, 2015
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    CMI closed the old Epiphone factory in 1957 when they acquired the name. They originally wanted it just for its upright basses, but found they'd acquired all of Epiphone's equipment and designs. Left over parts were shipped to Gibson's factories and completed there, but then production was shifted to new designs. Many of them were variations on instruments being made for Gibson. For example the Epiphone Casino was a Gibson ES330 with some minor cosmetic differences. They sold at roughly the same prices as their Gibson counterparts, and were of the same quality as they were made by the same workers. CMI offered Epiphone dealerships to stores in markets where there were existing Gibson dealerships.

    In 1969 the South American brewing conglomerate ECL bought CMI. Around this time US production of Epiphones came to an end, as sales of guitars in general dropped in the late '60s. Epiphone tended to be perceived as a budget brand, despite selling at the same prices as Gibson. It was decided to move production to Japan, as production costs were cheaper, making it a true budget brand. It also replaced the US budget made Kalamazoo line.
     

  20. Uncle Fiesta

    Uncle Fiesta Senior Stratmaster

    Don't know where to start on this one, headstock shape wrong, 'MADE iN USA' in the wrong place, TRC shape and printing both wrong, cutaway shape wrong, relative positions of bridge/stop tail and knobs miles off ... etc.

    Definitely one from Aliwhatsit.