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Challenge #253 (G Harmonic Minor)

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by Ebidis, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Here it is, but my lack of technology prevents me from creating a downloadable track.

    Fun with the Romanian scale (C Dorian #4), or G Harmonic Minor if you wish.

     
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  2. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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  3. Highway Star

    Highway Star Former Member

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    Who knows?

  4. fezz parka

    fezz parka On...for Omar. Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
    Undisclosed.
    From my POV, that track is in G harmonic minor:

    vi/V7/i

    iv - Cm
    V7 - D7
    i - Gmmaj7.

    The chords are directly from the G harmonic minor chord progression.

    The progression starts on the iv. I don't see how the key center is in Cm. @davidKOS ? ( I'm asking because you know this harmonic minor stuff backwards and forwards.)


    To have fun with it, play these:

    C Dorian #4 over the iv - C D Eb F# G A Bb

    D Phrygian #3 over the V7 - D Eb F# G A Bb C

    G Aeolian #7 over the i - G A Bb C D Eb F#


    FWIW, Dorian #4 is the 4th degree of the Harmonic minor scale. :)

    Harmonic minor modal degrees:

    1. Aeolian #7 - mMaj7(b6)
    2. Locrian #6 - m7b5/dim7
    3. Ionian #5 - maj7#5
    4. Dorian #4 - m7(#11)
    5. Phrygian #3 - 7(b9,b13)
    6. Lydian #2 - maj7(#9)
    7. Mixolydian #1 - dim7
     

  5. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    From my understanding the Romanian scale is C Dorian #4, so this would be centered in C minor as the Romanian Scale.



    But I don't know, I just like it. :)
     
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  6. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Thanks Omar. :)
     
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  7. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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  8. knh555

    knh555 Senior Stratmaster

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    Here we go. For this one, I did one bass track and one guitar track and tried not to get too busy with it.

     

  9. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I really love this!

    You nailed the feel of this track. You had a Pink Floyd vibe happening in some places.
     

  10. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
    northeastern usa
    In case you guys miss this in #252:
    Since there was some debate about the selection process, i withdrew my submission for #252,
    but was going to propose it again for #253.
    Since #253 has already been voted on to unanimous acclaim, selected without due process or debate,
    and people have posted...
    i'm done submitting backing tracks for these Challenges.
    i did these backing tracks because it was fun for me, and i believed it might be fun for some of you.
    That doesn't seem to be the case these days, so i will concentrate on doing my own thing,
    and leave you all to yours. Feel free to come visit the Crate whenever you miss me, LOL.
    Peace.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018

  11. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I'm sorry if you feel slighted, but you did not submit a suggestion for #253. In fact nobody but me did, and that was at 7:22 PM last night.

    I was not trying to step on anybody's toes. I submitted my suggestion last night, got no other suggestions, and posted this morning.

    I did not participate in #252, other than making a suggestion for #253, so I missed the earlier process. I apologize if I have ruffled some feathers.
     
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  12. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    This is where I got to a couple of weeks ago, I understand completely.
     
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  13. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
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    Don't give it a second thought.
    It's just the internet. My toes (and feathers) are just fine, LOL.
     
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  14. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
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    oh no.
    why dont you submit #253(a)?
    I dont think anyone would mind
    its been done before.
     

  15. mjark

    mjark Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 15, 2015
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    The clams are real though.
     

  16. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    That was cool. I was getting a spaghetti western vibe in some places.
     

  17. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

    Actually i did post a reminder about doglet's track in the middle of the discussion about 253 proposals... this is where the ignore function wreaks havoc i guess...
     
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  18. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
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    re:


    " If you think about it, it's basically IV V I in G Harmonic Minor, but here the key center is really C minor. This is why it's "C Dorian #4" instead of G Harmonic Minor "

    When I hear this track, and the way the chords move, I do NOT hear the "Ukrainian Dorian" or #4 Dorian mode, a.k.a. the Klezmer scale called Mi shebeirach backing but the type of backing for the related mode Freygish (like Arabic Hijaz, sort of).

    http://www.klezmershack.com/articles/horowitz/horowitz.klezmodes.html

    [​IMG]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_dominant_scale

    Freygish is also called " Phrygian dominant scale .. the fifth mode of the harmonic minor scale"

    Again this works on the principle that a set of pitches can be more than one scale or mode depending on the tonic.

    Freygish is the home mode, in D:

    D Eb F# G A Bb C D

    The basic chords used are the D, Gm and Cm, the Cm functioning much as a 7th chord would.

    The Mi shebeirach mode transposed to C is

    C D Eb F# G A Bb C

    as if we began Freygish from the flat 7 scale degree C.

    The chords used?

    Cm, D, and rarely the Gm...the same chords used as the main harmonization of Freygish, but now the Cm is tonic, the D is rarely used and the Gm is often made a major when used as a dominant chord.

    The pattern in the musical example 253 matches the way the chords are used in Freygish more than Mi shebeirach!

    Where Klezmer and other traditional music that use these scales differs from jazz is that although you can theoretically harmonize each scale degree with a 4 note chord, this is rarely done in musical practice.

    Most of these folk traditions do not use those chords, but pick 2-4 chords to harmonize the scale.

    So although the 4 note full harmonization is the procedure McLaughlin used in much of the Mahavishnu music, I tend to be careful when using that approach with folk materials.

    Does this help?
     

  19. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Once again, I posted my proposal at 7:22 PM last night. There were no other proposals posted before or after mine, and mine got some approval and discussion, so I posted it this morning.

    I Participate in these threads because it is fun, I never thought I would end up having to explain my actions because I posted a new thread. I will not make that mistake again.
     

  20. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter


    whoa, easy partner... :thumb::thumb: i just stated the facts... i posted a reminder about doglet's proposed track in the middle of last night's discussion about potentials for #253... it's in the record...