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  1. ToHiForAFly

    ToHiForAFly Strat-Talker

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    Hello!

    I was wondering, and I've been searching for it a long time: The history of strat 001. I know David has it, and he didn't get it first. Who was the previous owner and when did Dave get it? I love it's sound and it's still in perfect shape!

    Does anyone know of this or has a link of it? Much Apreciated!

    Here's a little song of him with the guitar!

    Fly oot


    ‪Strat Pack Concert - Coming Back To Life - David Gilmour‬‏ - YouTube
     
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    It's not in perfect shape. Perfect relic shape maybe.
     

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  4. ToHiForAFly

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    Thanks for the link! shocking those rumours about it, but it is still an unique guitar!

    Also I didn't see those scratches.. Apparently the paint is not actual white, but it still looks like it needs a cleanup. Still amazing piece of work. Can't say anything else since I'm a big Gilmour fan ;-)
     
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    Well if Phil Taylor can't fix it, no one can.
     
  6. GEISHA

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    Here some more pics of David Gilmour and 0001.
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    Quote: According to Seymour Duncan, there were two guitars with the #0001 serial number and David’s guitar is a “frankenstein” consisting of several different parts. Unquote.

    This part of the 0001 discussion really irritates me.
    I see no sane reason for Seymour Duncan to wait until 2004 before bringing this out into the public, whilst the Gilmour 0001 has been famous and accepted as the one and only 0001 for many, many years before 2004.

    If another 0001 exists, show me the pics of that guitar and have them both
    be examined by an independent expert in order to establish fact.
    Will the real 0001 owner please come forward.

    About the color, I attach a pic of a mint and original 1951 Nocaster with the same anodized pickguard, gold plated hardware and what seems to be the unfaded original color of the 0001 Strat.
    I would say it is beige or light caramel.

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  7. GEISHA

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    Some more:
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    This plate is not original, but just for the fun.
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  8. GEISHA

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    The 1957 Eddie Cletro all rosewood neck Strat (with nickle plated hardware)
    might also qualify for a Strat bearing the original 0001 color.

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  9. GEISHA

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    This is a replica of 0001:
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  10. RussV

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    I've read the neck plates were ordered by the boxful. So is it really just one from the first batch. Just a thought.
     
  11. ToHiForAFly

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    To be honest I think Duncan wants to get all the fame David gets at the moment.. I don't know wether his comment was before or after the strat pack concert. Because that just might be the reason he started talking about it
     
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    I am not inclined to believe that Seymour Duncan would lie about this. Think pros vs cons. What would he have to gain vs the potential lose of credibility (if he was caught in lie). Just doesn't make sense to me.

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  13. GEISHA

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    It is a non verified belief that neckplates were ordered by the boxful.

    The blank plates were stamped first, next a number was applied starting with 0001, next they were chrome plated. This process was almost certainly done by Race and Olmsted (the tooling and diecasting firm for Fender).
    So during applying a number on the plates there must have been a sequence, otherwise it would have been unworkable.
    But given the fact that the production was outsourced it must have been difficult to maintain that sequence when the plates finally arrived at the Fender plant.

    With a logic certainty we know that:
    - A series starting with #0100 and ending with #0208 (0208 is confirmed)
    can be found on tremelo cover plates.
    Not certain whether all numbers in between have been used. (I doubt it)
    Such guitars have March, April and May 1954 datings.
    I have got 16 confirmed tremelo cover numbers in my database.

    - From June 1954 Fender started to use numbered neckplates, starting with who knows what number............
    From a serie starting with #0001 upto #0099,
    and a serie starting with #0209 (that plate is confirmed) upto about #1250.
    Given the low number of Strats produced in 1954 it must be deemed
    impossible that all numbers in the series mentioned above have been used.
    Otherwise that would mean more than 1250 '54 Strats would exist.

    - Neckplates were applied randomly.

    - There is no sequence in serial numbers of Strats in relation to neckdates,
    bodydates and/or assembly dates. Moreover these dates were almost never
    matching. f.i. a 6/54 neck with a 7/54 body and a 10/54 assembly date.

    - Upto the end of 1954, the Esquire, Broad- No- and Telecaster,
    P Bass and Stratocaster had paralell number series, meaning that for
    instance 0001 "should or could" exist on all three guitar types. (I have
    several paralell numbers in my database.

    - Serial numbers of a Strat are on a neckplate, serialnumbers of Esquires,
    Broad-, No- and Telecasters as well as P Basses are on the bridgeplates (upto the end of 1954, next they also got numbered neckplates).

    - As per the end of 1954 the Fender numbers of all types of guitars were
    centralised in one series, starting with (about) #5200.

    - After having used up "all" individual Strat numbers, the first Stratocaster
    with a number from the non paralell series starts around #6500 in December
    1954.

    Another certainty is that no one, including well known guitar historians never asked any of the key Fender staff members about serial numbers, which is a
    real shame and a missed opportunity in the history of the guitar.
    They spend lots of words on the specific height of pick up pole pieces, but numbers??? No.

    When George Fullerton (deceased 2009) was still alive he was
    often interviewed for DVD productions and books on Strat history.
    But nobody ever asked: Mr. Fullerton what do you know about
    Stratocaster 0001.............. Or, why did Fender stop stamping numbers
    on tremelo coverplates. That change must have been given a certain amount of thought amongst Fender staff I guess.
     
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  14. GEISHA

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    It is not for us to judge either David Gilmour or Seymour Duncan (not mixing my personal preference:rolleyes::rolleyes:).
    They both have a reputation to maintain, SD is mainly a business man, DG is an artist.
    DG claims to have the 0001.

    But I call it pretty strange from SD's part to add a lot of ambivalence to that
    famous number in 2004 when there was a world wide consensus on the Gilmour Strat.
    Maybe he thought that after 50 years of Strats the "truth" had to be brought in the open.
    Would like to see that other 0001, that owner/guitar does exist??

    Countless words on countless forums have been spent on 0001.
    It remains a mile stone interesting guitar, but history wise it gets us really nowhere.

    ‪Fender Stratocaster serial # 0001. History.‬‏ - YouTube
     
  15. louis cyfer

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    according to some of my friends who are close with seymour, he has been telling that story for a long time.
     
  16. GEISHA

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    Well that is news to me, but I tend to see it as something from a friend of a friend of SD.
    Not meaning it is untrue, but the discussion I refer to is the documented
    relay of SD's words of 2004, and that evoked the worldwide ambivalence
    I am talking about.
    Would like to read, see more of SD's previous words on this as well as the other
    0001 SD is talking about.
     
  17. RussV

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    Exactly, the neck plates arrived from Race and Olmsted (or somewhere), the Fender employee assembling guitar grabbed a plate, any plate, from stock pile and used it. Who knows?

    Number 1 is a novelty but I think the fact it's an early Strat (if genuine) is more important.
     
  18. GEISHA

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    Like I said it is a milestone interesting guitar but it stops there for me.
    History wise it is no fixed platform to jump from.
    The combination of one highly respected and gifted musician like DG and the
    0001 Strat is almost of one in a trillion quality, but don't let it blind you
    history-wise.

    Also any early 1954 Stratocaster not forgetting the 1953 prototype deserves as much credit as 0001. But numbers like 1 and 100 and 1000 etc. always
    get huge acceptance whilst no. 0585 is just one of many....

    I have a lot of other so called custom colored/specs 1954 in my database, see this thread:
    http://www.strat-talk.com/forum/pre...ed-1954-pre-production-run-stratocasters.html

    Maybe that blue 1954 Strat or that red 1954 Pee Wee Crayton Strat is even
    more historic than 0001.
     
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    Interesting thread. I've actually been up close to this guitar. Believe it or not, around about 1998/9, it spent some time on display (in a display case, natch) in the Victoria and Albert museum, in a room devoted to 20th century design classics.
     
  20. ToHiForAFly

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    Damn you lucky bastard! I wish I could just walk in his house and talk/watch guitar stuff. I am going to the England the end of this year and the I'm surely going to take a pic of me with the Astoria behind me =D.
     
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