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Dropped Precious Off for the Re-Fret Today

Discussion in 'Tech-Talk' started by Dick Blackmore, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Dick Blackmore

    Dick Blackmore Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    48
    688
    Jan 10, 2017
    San Diego
    Dropped off my 1989 Deluxe Plus for a refret today. I chose a luthier who has a really good reputation. After the guys examined and played my guitar the luthier came and spoke to me about fretwire and a few other adjustments. Here's the rundown.

    They're going to lower the nut and bring it forward towards the body. I've always had issues with the high e buzzing at the nut like a freakin sitar, the guy explained to me the limitations of the Wilkinson nut ( I am painfully aware I bought this guitar new in 1989) and also noted that the gap from nut to fretboard was too large. There was a decent gap there I'd estimate at something like 3-4 mm. I don't know much about the nut or adjusting it. Felt like he knew what he was talking about. I've complained about this damn nut many times to various people over the years nobody has ever fixed it.

    They all thought the action could go down. I laughed at that because I thought it was lowish around 1.7mm-2mm but who doesnt love lower action?

    My floating trem could be set a little better, apparently I had it sitting higher than it could be.

    Frets are not worth leveling. I already knew that and have been puting off having the re-fret done, we chose the 6105 wire because I wanted to keep the guitar close to originalish. I think the original frets were 6130 so these will definitely be taller but not as big as the 6100's on my ESP.

    This is the third guy I have had look at it. 350$ 3 weeks max. I live in San Diego and I took estimates from other shops, but one of the shops would not do a full refret and I know it needs it. I chose this guy on a recommendation from somebody here on Strat Talk and several local musicians I know (yes I am a local musican but I am a transplant and I usually do my own setups).

    I will post pictures when I get her back.
     

  2. mshivy

    mshivy Most Honored Senior Member

    Hope it turns out great and you get it back sooner than 3 weeks.
     
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  3. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    Dick,
    Did you decide to go for stainless frets? They are definitely worth the possible extra $$ so that you never have to re-fret again. The other benefit is how long they hold a polish and remain silky smooth. Some will clam a change in tone of the guitar, but it's really just possibly "crisper" attack when picking.
    Just Askin'
    Gene
     
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  4. Biddlin

    Biddlin Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 11, 2013
    USA
    As a retired repair tech in Sacramento, that price seems right and the guy sounds like he knows his stuff. Good luck and pics of the results.
     

  5. td148

    td148 Strat-Talker

    231
    Aug 4, 2009
    Central TX
    Is that at Top Gear? Dan and the guys are awesome there.
     

  6. henderman

    henderman Most Honored Senior Member

    Dec 4, 2013
    largo,fl
    A good refret is one of the best things there is IMO, hope it comes home soon and is awesome.
     

  7. radd

    radd Strat-Talker

    310
    Jun 2, 2016
    Santa cruz
    That is about what I paid. Glad you found a tech you like.
     

  8. Dick Blackmore

    Dick Blackmore Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    48
    688
    Jan 10, 2017
    San Diego
    Alright. The guy just called me. Nut is fixed. Frets are done. Got another hour of work before I can go pick her up. Pictures at 7. I am super excited.
     
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  9. Silvercrow

    Silvercrow Senior Stratmaster

    Nov 6, 2014
    Bucks County, Pa.
    Can't wait to see!

    Brian
     
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  10. Dick Blackmore

    Dick Blackmore Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    48
    688
    Jan 10, 2017
    San Diego
    Sorry about the delay my Iphone would not pick up good shots fo the frets and then Thanksgiving got in the way anywhoo...

    before (1989 Fender Stratocaster Deluxe Plus)
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    The nut gap before
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    Nut gap after
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    New Frets 6150 Dunlop. I could not afford the stainless steel and there would have been a longer time in the shop. Not sad about it at all, the guy did a fantastic job, so smooth and perfect, with the rolloff being perfection.
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    What can I say? Its like having a brand new guitar. It plays even better than when I got it originally. Just sings now, I am very very happy. If you have a guitar that needs a refret and you have been putting it off, don't. I wish I had this done sooner.

    Some Notes:

    Action 4/64" high e 12th fret
    5/64" low E 12th fret
    Relief .004" or straighter. I could not measure it my gauges only go down to .005"
     

  11. Ruscio

    Ruscio Strat-Talker

    287
    Nov 14, 2016
    Pennsylvania
    Thanks for good pics. That's a beautiful guitar, looks like you really take care of it, too. Great piece of rosewood on there. Sounds like they did a great job with the frets and the nut, I guess you can enjoy another 28 years with this strat now!
     
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  12. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    There's nothing like a good re-fret job for making a guitar "better than ever" and even better than new. Most folks don't opt for a fret level/crown/polish on a new guitar, for a multitude of reasons. Once you've owned & played a guitar long enough to require/deserve a re-fret, you're old, close friends and have combined, shared MOJO with the instrument. Also the guitar is fully settled in to what it always wants to be and said "good re-fret job" only makes it all the better!

    Congratulations and go ahead and make some new divots in those new bad boys!:p

    HNFD!
    Gene
     
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  13. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Victoria TX

  14. T Bone Slort

    T Bone Slort "I have a cunning plan" Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    70
    Jan 7, 2014
    Gibsons British Columbia
    I've wondered how your re-fret was going and it looks like a winner, beautiful in fact.

    I have the 1992 version and my guy tells me I may have one more fret dress left before she'll need a re-fret.
    Man I dread the day I have to do the deed, in fact I've cut back my practice time this year in hopes of buying some more time.
    LOL, guess I need another Strat to take the pressure off my baby.

    The specs say medium jumbo, are they 6130?
     

  15. Dick Blackmore

    Dick Blackmore Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    48
    688
    Jan 10, 2017
    San Diego
    So the Strat Plus were originally fretted with 6130 which Fender called 'Medium Jumbo'. I had 6150 put on which are the same width but taller than the 6130. In fact they are the second tallest to 6100. 6150 is what Fender calls 'Jumbo' now.
    here is a good page explaining the sizes.
     
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  16. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Sweden
    It might be the pictures but the action looks a bit on the high side. Congrats on the job, must be a thrill having your guitar back in playing condition!
     

  17. Uncle Jimmy

    Uncle Jimmy Senior Stratmaster

    Age:
    68
    Aug 22, 2011
    Connecticut
    I don't know if it's the camera angle, but it looks like you might want to tweak the neck in the pocket a bit. It LOOKS LIKE the high e has lots of room between it and the edge of the fretboard, and little to none for the low E. Easy fix! Loosen the neck a couple of turns and tweak the neck in the direction it wants to go.
     
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  18. Dick Blackmore

    Dick Blackmore Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    48
    688
    Jan 10, 2017
    San Diego
    Damn! Nice spot. Its not as bad as is it looks in that picture but it's there. He did adjust the nut because it was giving me a sitar buzz, it looks like that may be a tiny factor in that...

    Do I leave the strings on? Loosen or remove the strings?
     

  19. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    No, don't loosen the strings. Just loosen the four screws a 1/4 to 1/3 of a turn, starting farthest from the headstock. Hold guitar snugly and gently bump the headstock in the direction you want it to go. When all is good, re-tighten the screws, in the reverse of the loosening. Don't be surprised or scared if you hear a small pop or creaking noise when loosening, as that is simply the neck setting itself even more solidly into the pocket. This is a "good" thing!
    Just My $.02,
    Gene
     
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  20. Stratoman10

    Stratoman10 Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Aug 24, 2015
    Va. Beach, Va
    Glad it came out so nice. There's been some real horror stories about re-frets here