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Help! Having setup problems (I think...)

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Mansonienne, Sep 9, 2018.

  1. BallisticSquid

    BallisticSquid Senior Stratmaster

    Oct 12, 2016
    US
    This is what I tried to describe in my post. This is what I've done.
     
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  2. Mansonienne

    Mansonienne Stratocrastinator Extraordinaire Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    54
    Dec 2, 2015
    Paris suburbs, France
    Thanks!
     
  3. Mansonienne

    Mansonienne Stratocrastinator Extraordinaire Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    54
    Dec 2, 2015
    Paris suburbs, France
    Thanks, both. I think I’ve got it there now. 5 springs in. Trem claw screws are pretty far in, plate’s about 1/8” above and parallel to the body, strings in tune. Still need to fine tune, check truss rod, intonate, set saddle height, etc.
    I appreciate all the help!
     
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  4. rafasounds

    rafasounds Senior Stratmaster

    Aug 25, 2011
    Brazil
    Although Frudua's method is well certified and certainly efficient, I also think Carl Verheyen's method of bridge float is worth checking.
     
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  5. Mansonienne

    Mansonienne Stratocrastinator Extraordinaire Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    54
    Dec 2, 2015
    Paris suburbs, France
    Thanks!
     
  6. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    i just think those springs you have are weak.
    on my stuff, my claw is nowhere near how far screwed in yours is, and ive got 10s, and only three springs.
     
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  7. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    another thing i noticed in your pics, those bridge screws dont look right.
    when your bridge is against the body, screw down the outer screws just until they start to raise it, then back off a bit. same with the middle screws, only back those off a tiny bit more.
     
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  8. Chont

    Chont Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 25, 2012
    Pennsylvania
    Agree with the above about the bridge screws. What I do is remove the strings and springs completely. Then tighten each screw until the bridge just lifts off the body. Then back the screw off slowly until it lowers to the body again. Then give the outer screws another quarter turn counter clock wise. For the middle 5 screws I give them a half turn counter clockwise after I lower them back down.

    Seems a more precise and consistent way to set the bridge mount screws. Then you can deal with spring/string tension.
     
  9. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    yep, thats perfect.
     
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  10. roadhog96

    roadhog96 Strat-Talker

    Age:
    67
    306
    Oct 11, 2017
    CT
    3 springs on mine, full floating perectly and stays in tune using either 9’s, 10’s or 9-10. Make your ajustments with the spring claw screws.
     
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  11. Mansonienne

    Mansonienne Stratocrastinator Extraordinaire Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    54
    Dec 2, 2015
    Paris suburbs, France
    Can I do this without taking off the strings I just put on ? i.e. just loosen them a lot?
     
  12. Chont

    Chont Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 25, 2012
    Pennsylvania
    I suppose you could if they were really loose. You definitely want the springs out. The idea is to have zero resistance on the bridge plate so i just lifts slightly when you turn the screw.
     
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  13. Chont

    Chont Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 25, 2012
    Pennsylvania
    it took me years of dinking with my strat to figure out if I loosen the trem claw i can just gently pull out the springs. Obviously it will require a re setup after you put them back in but its much less dangerous.
     
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  14. Mansonienne

    Mansonienne Stratocrastinator Extraordinaire Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    54
    Dec 2, 2015
    Paris suburbs, France
    The tech at GC told me to hold a cloth over the springs and nudge them out with a screwdriver. I also did that to put them back in, but still managed to lose control and put a nice long scratch in the back of the Strat with the screwdriver... oh well, it already had a bunch of dings...:oops:
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2018
  15. Chont

    Chont Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 25, 2012
    Pennsylvania
    Ouch... sorry to hear that.

    One more reason to learn how to tech your own guitars. And that's what's really great about strats IMO. They're relatively easy to learn how to maintain.
     
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  16. Dave Harmon

    Dave Harmon Strat-Talker

    127
    Feb 18, 2016
    Right Here
    What Owen said!!

    I use a 3/32" (2.3mm) thick piece of wood under the rear of the trem. I insert the trem arm to make this easier to handle.
    Then tune to pitch and see if the trem lifts off the wood.
    If it does (or does not) loosen the strings and tighten or loosen the claw depending on the trem lifting up or not.
    Keep adjusting until you can just slide in the wood when at pitch.
    This will get you really close.
    Add more springs if open strings detune when bending....then adjust again as above.
     
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  17. owenmoney

    owenmoney Strat-Talker

    Age:
    65
    307
    Jun 21, 2013
    Green Lane Pa
    What Dave said !
     
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  18. hexnut

    hexnut Strat-Talker

    179
    Jul 18, 2018
    Middle Tennessee
    I use three springs and set the plate to .100 off the guitar body. Works good for me.
     
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  19. The-Kid

    The-Kid Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    28
    Feb 15, 2014
    SO CAL USA
    As others have said use a piece of wood or what I do is get a dollar bill and fold it up and place it inbetween the bridge and the body.
     
  20. maqcatt

    maqcatt Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    70
    601
    Sep 25, 2008
    silverdale wa
    I also prefer more springs for the same reasons.
    The problem with unbent strings going flat is not totally eliminated but it is somewhat diminished.
    I use four springs. When I try five, the springs tend to fall out when I pull up on the bar because they relax all the way to the point there is no tension on them at all.
    (this is with .010 - .046 strings and my particular springs. you may have different results and five may work for you.)

    S Mac