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I made an offer, what do you think?

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by TheDudeMan, Nov 30, 2018.

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  1. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

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  2. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

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    He wanted more money then I offered, but after telling him it's the last non original part on my guitar he took the initial offer.... pics coming soon!
     
  3. Duckster

    Duckster Strat-Talk Member

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    that looks aweful and not at all like a real guard
     
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  4. Strat Jacket

    Strat Jacket Senior Stratmaster

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    I sure hope you didn't pay anywhere near what he was asking. You could buy a new MiM Strat and a Squier Tele for that kinda money.
     
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  5. rolandson

    rolandson Most Honored Senior Member

    ummm...
    are you being given a time period to authenticate it?

    if i were the purchaser, i would be lining up an expert or two who are qualified to do exactly that, so it can happen immediately upon receiving.

    just say'n.

    I'll go out on a limb and offer that it looks remarkably well preserved for 50+ years of age. remarkably. meaning just exactly that. doesn't look at all like the original that sits on my 64.

    eta:
    http://crazyparts.de/art-of-aging/pickguards-for-fender/st-guards/index.php

    just think'n out loud
     
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  6. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

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    How so?
     
  7. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

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    What's the difference? The celluloid guard I have now looks like the ones in your link.
     
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  8. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

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    Yeah, but I'm trying to complete my guitar with an original guard.
     
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  9. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

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    There's a way to know if it's a real one but it needs in hand inspection.
    Ask the seller to measure the width of the cut out for the bridge, as precise as possible preferably with a digital calliper.

    Every guard ages differently, so it's almost impossible to tell from pictures.
    Sheen looks correct, it doesn't look like artificial aging either, all the rest is very subjective...

    There's no 100% correct repro guard that exists, never has.
     
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  10. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

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    Looking at the images compared to ones from eddy v's page, they look almost identical.... the chatter marks aren't very visible in the add images, so that is gonna have to be verified in person, also measuring thickness and black lighting it will give some answers, but the thickness of the layers look correct, screw hole spacing on pickup cavities look correct.... lack of wear is speculative especially around the knob area, but it also looks like it says in the post, it's been polished. The seller has 100% positive feedback, and has mostly vintage parts for sale.... soooo we'll see when it shows up, I offered around 70% of what he wanted for it.
     
  11. Guitar0621

    Guitar0621 Strat-Talker

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  12. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

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    Problem with chatter marks is that it depends on the age of the tool, so there is no consistency...
    Thickness of layers depends on the bevel which in those days wasn't as accurate as today with CNC, a slight variation can give a different look.
    And both can be reproduced very easily...

    The hardest things to replicate, as with everything, is how it ages, the sheen and the smell.

    But like I already said, if you want to be sure, measure the bridge cut-out and let me know...
     
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  13. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

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  14. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

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    Guitar0621 Strat-Talker

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    There's no stamps in the second image, almost like they've been photoshopped out. The third image shows the stamp on the tuner with the black mark in the bottom right part.

    I guess it could be image quality but it doesn't look it to me at the moment.
     
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  16. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

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    Well, that's hard to see on my phone, but it would be very stupid to sell them as double lines and send something without lines. Often it's just a matter of lighting.
     
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  17. rolandson

    rolandson Most Honored Senior Member

    caveat emptor sir, caveat emptor.
     
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  18. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

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    It would seem that there is almost no resources to identify these pickguards on the web... maybe another thread is in order with specific measurements and images?
     
  19. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

    Mar 18, 2013
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    As always the question is: would it help potential buyers or help fakers... ;)
     
  20. Bazz Jass

    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Wow, lots of responses you weren't hoping for @TheDudeMan !

    I guess the only thing that worries me is that it's been 30+ years on a guitar it didn't belong on :thumbd:

    And that it didn't shrink. Because they all did. Yup.