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Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by TheDudeMan, Nov 30, 2018.
The pickguard has this spacing.
OMG! (As my high school students used to say).
Is that an ESP guitar from back in the old days, or a partscaster?
It certainly looks good!
Well needless to say reverb says that the guards were made by hand and that any anomalies are possible, and that they feel the sale was legitimate... they offered me a 25 dollar shipping credit and no fee if I decide to sell it... I told them I can't sell it in good conscience, and that I'll just report it as fraud to my bank... still have yet to hear back from them.
Wow! Sorry to hear that! Good luck with it!
Sorry to hear this is becoming such an issue.....
I wonder if Lashing could confirm it's one of their's (if it is....)
Yeah I'm not sure, but honestly reverb is on the side of the seller, probably because they would have to do the pay out... it's odd that they are ok with selling fraudulent products, and actually encouraging me to do the same. Needless to say I'm not immoral, and refuse to follow up on their offer.
They 'had' a good reputation.................... will be following this thread to see if they resolve this for you.
There was a seller using "portlan" as part of their name who's been selling fakes for years now. All kinds of stories. Even fake Lashings. Copies of copies.
Are you saying Reverb was asking you to resell it thru them? Because that guard is neither vintage or Lashing. The fresh "under the knob" proved that.
At least in the old days of vintage shows the guys were there in the flesh.
Yes they offered to remove any fees and give free shipping if I wanted to re sell the item... personally I can't do that.
The "new" Lashing guards don't have the knob-fade/wear. Not that that proves it's a Lashing of course....Just clutching a straws really, for our friend The DudeMan.
Good for you, not cool they'd want you to.
The aged ones look pretty real https://www.lashingguitars.com/celluloid/ageing.html
The lashings have correct pot placement, this guard unfortunately does not.
Hopefully you paid with paypal.
Open a dispute with them. After you do open a dispute phone in to a live agent to plead your case.
Good luck I hope things work out.
I used reverb pay, and it was supposed to have buyer protection, but that was obviously a gimmick for false sense of security.
From the Reverb site: " Whether you pay with Reverb Payments or PayPal, you’re protected from any fake, faulty, or falsely advertised items."
I must admit I was a little bit worried about it all, knowing that you used Reverb Payments instead of PayPal.
Even with Paypal it's not easy to undo a sale because of counterfeit goods. A lot of hassle and arbitrary decisions.
You'd need to build a solid case within the time provided to make anything happen, and still you couldn't be sure of the outcome.
In their favour, not everybody's an expert and it's impossible for them to know everything.
I think the best way would be to ask them who, in their opinion, would be accepted to authenticate the product.
Maybe point out to them that the issue is being discussed online, without making it sound too much as a threat, and that people are upset with the development of this issue?
Is this the pickguard in question?
No, I think that was an example on the spacing at the bridge (slightly wider as original)
This is the pickguard in question: https://reverb.com/item/17345940-fe...960-64-3-ply-mint-green-vintage-original-look
Yeah, I saw the listing. It just seems a bit convoluted...
To the OP, @TheDudeMan , I would suggest, again, that the pickguard in question be authenticated by a qualified -disinterested third party. An appraiser experienced with preCBS Fenders. Elderly or Gruhn come to mind.
Someone whose reputation and expertise is accepted industry wide as the authority regarding vintage Fender guitars. I would not advertise that there is a dispute, just ask for an authentication/appraisal without any mention of the circumstances (because if I were an authority the last thing i would want would be to walk into a dispute).
It'll cost ya. But if Reverb's position is that the pickguard is indeed authentic, expert opinion contradicting that should put it to rest.
All of this definitely underscores the benefit of knowing who one is doing business with.
The fact that a return is being refused by the seller speaks volumes. An honest seller would take it back no questions asked - why wouldn't they?
All this suggests the seller knows it's fake and is glad to be rid of it.
Let's hope he's well publicised about the traps for his evil ways....