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Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by davidKOS, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. CalicoSkies

    CalicoSkies Senior Stratmaster

    Jun 10, 2013
    Hillsboro, OR, USA
    Yep. I wasn't saying playing an instrument as a hobby is unprofessional, just that some people may believe that spending a lot of time with a hobby isn't important. Personally I think hobbies are important, and I agree with what you posted.
     
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  2. fezz parka

    fezz parka Off.... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
    Undisclosed.
    Howard was so smart. He outlines what he is, what his goals were, then at the end of his comments, asks "What is your goal?" I'm this...what do you want to be? :)

    Not only was he a great guitarist, he was a great teacher...in a variety of subjects.
     

  3. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Victoria TX
    When I was taking lessons from Joe Settlemires, it was always Howard this and Howard that. I had no idea who he was talking about at age 18 and pre-internet, but I knew whoever this Howard guy was, he was a profound influence on my teacher.
     
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  4. fezz parka

    fezz parka Off.... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
    Undisclosed.
    He had an extraordinary presence without being overbearing. His humble way of explaining things had such a strong undercurrent of total confidence in what he knew, you just went along with it. It's nice to know I'm not the only one who gushes about Howard. He was a very special person. And an amazing talent. :)
     
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  5. Rudi

    Rudi Senior Stratmaster

    Apr 19, 2016
    Brisvegas

    Over 3 pages of misunderstandings imo.
    The quoted statement has nothing to do with professional musicians.

    I see it this way
    Successful professionals (doctors, scientists, traders etc.)
    need something away from their daily work.
    So they paint, play guitar, build model planes etc.
    Because they do nothing half arsed they become good at their hobby.

    The 2 professional musicians I know are very good at what they do
    But I wouldn’t give them a job at the check out.
     

  6. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    You made very good points, except I disagree with the above.
     

  7. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    At World of Strings - which had at the time, among others, Emily Remler on staff and my teacher, Les Wise, later bebop teacher at GIT - we all were in awe of HR and paid attention to all his books and GP columns.
     
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  8. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    When Charlie Parker was asked what was his religion he said "I'm a devout musician."
     

  9. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Different questions - the issue was a connection between musical excellence and professional excellence.
     

  10. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Most likely, if we were really doing a study.
     

  11. Willie D

    Willie D Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

    "The better you get at an instrument, and you realize what can be done with it, the more you realize how incredibly bad you are at it." --John Oliver, on Fresh Air
     
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  12. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Semi Pros...a new concept.

    Sometimes known as weekend warriors.
     
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  13. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Because you know what really can be done with the instrument.

    Almost every great jazz soloists I knew was always hearing something in his/her head that was just beyond what they actually could play.

    Even when their solos were spectacular, they would say "if you only knew what I was trying to do".
     

  14. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Hey, cousin Albert....we share a common ancestor, Daniel Einstein! circa 1650 Germany
     
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  15. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    I have seen "professional" musicians that in my not so humble opinion have sucked at playing their instrument.

    Did they get local gigs? Yes

    Were they "exceptional" quality?

    Yes - exceptionally bad.
     
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  16. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    That is the essential thing.

    You need to KNOW that you know what you know. Period. Kind of like a martial artist, you cannot doubt that you know something.
     

  17. rocknrollrich

    rocknrollrich Senior Stratmaster

    Age:
    47
    Jan 8, 2016
    philadelphia
    You can be an excellent musician, and not be a professional . Right?
    So can talent and ability (proficiency etc) be the measuring stick of a professional?
    Conversely, Britney spears makes a living off of music. Would she be considered a "professional musician"?
    Ugh. If she is, I'm throwing my guitar in the nearest dumpster.
     
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  18. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    I guess since she is a "singer" technically yes.

    BUT

    I really think performers like that are professional entertainers.
     
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  19. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    51
    Nov 14, 2013
    Alabama
    By the strictest sense of the word, being: making a living performing music, then yes, Britney is a professional musician.

    Now, instead of throwing your guitar in a dumpster, you can just send it to me. I'll even cover the shipping. No need to thank me, it's the least I can do. :D
     

  20. rocknrollrich

    rocknrollrich Senior Stratmaster

    Age:
    47
    Jan 8, 2016
    philadelphia
    I can send it your way.
    I'd rather continue believing Britney spears isn't a professional musician tho. Lol.
    I'll have to ponder it for a bit. I'll get out the packing tape and bubble wrap, just in case.
     
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