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  1. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Senior Stratmaster

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    With guitars quality and cost are not very connected these days. I have a couple Bullets that feel pretty much as nice as my real Fender Strat, for example. I'm not saying there's no connection, but it's not true that a more expensive guitar is always better than a cheaper one. More than ever, play it, and if you like it it's a good guitar.
     
  2. Mr C

    Mr C Senior Stratmaster

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    Well you don’t really get what you pay for, but you also must observe that the guys with great tone all have pretty good gear, so there is something to it. contrary to what people always say tone is not in the fingers or my air guitar would be the best on earth...
     
  3. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Senior Stratmaster

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    Maybe not quite all.



     
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  4. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

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    Man, those nights are the best!
     
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  5. Wrighty

    Wrighty Senior Stratmaster

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    I need to know where you buy your music gear.........NOW!
     
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  6. Wrighty

    Wrighty Senior Stratmaster

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    Probably music gear is the same as other stuff, the answer is ‘yes, up to a point’. Take opinions of what’s good and bad out of the equation, which isn’t easy, and I think you get to a point I call ‘The Kings new clothes’. That means you’re paying for a name rather than improved quality or’ say, 25% more for a 5% quality hike. Chinese knock off to Bullet worth it, Player to AmPro, probably slightly less so, Master Built to Custom, I wouldn’t bother. The differential decreases as you go up the price list IMO.
     
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  7. Wrighty

    Wrighty Senior Stratmaster

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    Yeah, but if the owners invested three times as much in stands like yours, tgey’d probably have to replace them a lot less often.................unless they were nicked.
     
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    Wrighty Senior Stratmaster

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    Here here old chap! It’s the flip side of selling gear that’s often quoted, ‘it’s worth what someone is willing to pay for it’
     
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  9. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    There's a point where cost, quality and value for money meet. That's where you'll find me. Putting a brand name on the same thing and doubling the price just makes me smile as I walk away.


    This post was absolutely not sponsored by Stewart-MacDonald
     
  10. Wrighty

    Wrighty Senior Stratmaster

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    It’s perceived kudos.............Bullet, Squier or Fender on the headstock. Make the next level as attractive and reachable as possible to the customer. People with lots of dish sometimes go into reverse snobbery mode. Bragging about their Bullet. Perhaps they think it will hel put them among the rest of us?
     
  11. 3bolt79

    3bolt79 Senior Stratmaster

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    I think you do get what you pay for, that’s why aim currently trading up on my Squiers, well one of them anyway. I am going to pony up and get an American Performer.
     
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  12. JB74

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    The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the cheap price is forgotten.
     
  13. Yaralag

    Yaralag Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    With this piece of equipment you get a little more than you pay for.:rolleyes:
     
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  14. Jimi Lightning

    Jimi Lightning Senior Stratmaster

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    It all depends IMhO if the gear speaks to you and floats your boat.:)
    For example, I prefer Squires and Epiphones. I do have some more famous brand name gits but am happy with the lower end of the scale price wise as they work for me and feel right.
    The exception there for me is pedals. Tried the cheap route and discovered that sometimes name brands are much better....just saying.

    Try gear and pick what feels right and avoid the honeymoon phase and the you should have this because you play this type of music thang...ymmv
     
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    sgarnett Strat-Talker

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    The combo that is tricky for me: I strongly prefer a vintage-spaced (not just vintage-style) bridge, tall frets, and the small headstock (regardless of what it says), and a rosewood/ebony/pf fretboard. I will probably replace the electronics, so disposable-grade is fine. It would be nice if the finish wasn’t an inch thick. I wish Squire DID offer that.

    As far as I know, the only ways to get there are a partscaster (American Pro neck on a Performer, 60s RI, or Original 60s body), Road Worn 60s, or custom. I could live with the fugly CBS headstock of a Performer, but would still be replacing the narrow bridge and the electronics.

    There’s no way to buy the Road Worn without the aging. Oh wait, that’s basically the Original 60s. The Road Worn requires extra work to beat it up, but it costs double - that’s $1000 extra - to NOT purposely damage it. Yes, the pickups are nicer on the Original too, but not $1000 nicer.

    Someone at Fender has all of that in a big spreadsheet of features, cost, and price (which are totally different) to analyze how their offering compete with each other, other FMI brands, and other companies.

    So, at the moment, I’m pondering whether to pay someone to wear out a guitar for me (which is negative value imho), or spend nearly as much on a partscaster that will only be worth a few cups of coffee in a future trade.
     
  16. sgarnett

    sgarnett Strat-Talker

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    OTOH, I have an Ibanez copy of an ES-335 that is a steal for what you get. The f-hole binding is really paint, but it’s not obvious, and the pickups are decent - for ceramic. That’s about the only compromise. It’s a darn fine instrument for not much.

    I also recently bought an Alvarez AG60AR acoustic. I am still astounded by the value. It is very well made, with most of the high-end touches that actually make a difference. As far as I know, the next most comparable upgrade would cost 10X as much. That is not an exaggeration.

    And on that topic - the forearm bevel (which the Alvarez has) is very important to me because of a nerve issue. For someone else, it may be a negative.
     
  17. sgarnett

    sgarnett Strat-Talker

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    And yep, as long as you are looking for a narrow-spaced bridge and the medium-jumbo (small) frets, there are some great deals, new and used.

    A few days ago, I looked at a used FSR MIM HSS Standard that was a fantastic deal, even with tossing out the electronics - if it is what you are looking for.
     
  18. BuddyHollywood

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    Whenever I buy any music gear I focus on the sound I'm trying to achieve and then find out what gear will get me there. Sometimes it's the cheaper gear that will achieve the sound you are looking for. I like the sound of my Yamaha acoustic guitar better than most other acoustic guitars I've heard and it cost me $250 new back in 2002. I didn't buy it because it was cheaper. I chose it because it delivered the sound I was after. On the other end of the spectrum I shelled out the most money I ever paid for music gear on a Gretsch Duo Jet with Dynasonic pickups because it delivered the sound I was chasing.

    The price to quality ratio also works in the buyer's favor when buying used.
     
  19. sgarnett

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    Yeah, when I found that Alvarez, it was like it was custom-made for me. Price really wasn’t a major factor. Paying 10X was not an option, but I would have happily paid 2X, maybe even 3X. Instead, it was marked down because of a few scratches. Score!
     
  20. sgarnett

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