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Jam 65 – BB King-style in C

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by simoncroft, Dec 4, 2017.

  1. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    If I had great ears, I'd have told you it was a Tele! I heard the pickup changes but I decided it was probably a Strat-style guitar with maybe a different pick-up in the bridge. I noticed there was no bar vibrato, so that should have been a strong clue. Also, there is something about the string separation on longer-scale instruments that I can't really explain...

    EDIT: Hence, I decided it wasn't your Maton, a Gibson etc
     

  2. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Aug 9, 2017
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    Good morning Simon :)

    Thank you for your positive comment. I struggle to quit being melodic and start being creative :( Yes, I'm confident, yet, I'm missing something...
     

  3. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

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  4. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Youre on the right track. Just keep at it. I can tell you are listening.
     
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  5. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

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    The only thing youre missing is experience.
     
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  6. knh555

    knh555 Senior Stratmaster

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    This is one of the cool things about this site and these challenges/jams in particular. It's really cool seeing someone progress week-to-week like this. Keep it up and just keep making music!
     
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  7. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    @amstratnut – I reckon I can hear hear shades of BB, Albert and Freddie (the 'Three Kings') in your fine take. Those are some monster bands at the start as well. Very nice.

    Just in case there is anyone left on there planet who doesn't know where Eric Clapton got all his early inspiration from, here's Freddie King performing I'm Torn Down. (Also featuring a guy playing... gasp... blues on a Rickenbacker!)

     
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  8. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    @Omar – I've put together this Three Note Blues for you. There are only three notes in it, and I'm pretty certain they're not the three notes you would expect. They are E, Eb and F.

    To put it another way, they are a) The Major 3rd of the scale, b) The Minor 3rd, and c) The 4th. How the heck does that work out? Well, the Major 3rd over the I chord is pretty simple. The Minor 3rd over the IV form a Dominant 7th (often just referred to as a 7th in popular music.) The 4th degree of the scale has exactly the same relationship with the V chord.



    Am I suggesting you base a solo on those notes? No, but if you at least include those notes when you are playing over those chords, you'll get a bluesier sound. :thumb:

    I've made the track downloadable, in case you want to listen to how it works bar-by-bar.
     
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  9. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Thank you! :) I’ll keep on practicing.
    Many thanks Simon, I appreciate it :) the minor 3rd is called the blues note if I’m not mistaken? I played it briefly but didn’t emphasis on it, I used it as a passing note. Was I wrong?
     

  10. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    The 'blue note' is usually taken to mean a flattened 5th, which in the scale of C is F sharp, however it mostly appears as a passing note between the V and IV chords (G7 and F7). I can't say it's a note I use a lot in a blues solo, and I'm not sure that the term 'blue note' is even that helpful. I have the same problem with the so-called 'blues scale'. But, here's the thing: there is no 'right' or 'wrong' in the blues, or in art in general. If you can make something work in your solo, then you are expressing yourself as you wish.

    A lot of blues players put a lot of emphasis on the major and minor third, and also often bend the minor third just slightly to a note that is somewhere between the two. I find that very effective, but that doesn't mean you have to use it, or even like it. :sneaky:

    The blues doesn't have to be hard to play, or especially complicated, but you need to listen to a lot of it before you start to understand how to create an expressive solo. There's plenty of great blues on YouTube, so enjoy. :thumb:
     
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  11. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Try to find recordings where they use that note and see how its treated. The minor 3rd vs major 3rd is a big deal in blues. Its very good that you are thinking about it. There is no, "one size fits all" in blues. Each artist does it a little differently.
     
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  12. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

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    @Omar this is my favorite blues player. I like him cause he has a jazzy feel to his playing. He has all sorts of ways to deal with the major and minor 3rds.

    If he doesnt inspire you, thats ok. Im just putting it out there cause he is an endless wealth of ideas and always seem to hit the sweet notes.

     
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  13. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Lovely playing! Thanks for the heads up. :thumb:

    Don't learn the 'blues faces' though. :whistling::D
     
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  14. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I mixed up with A minor pentatonic Blues scale that has D#/Eb. I’ll try it once my daughter goes to bed. I’m stuck with her watching her favorite cartoons :D

    That guy is amazing, a great player and performer. He’s definitely an inspiration. I’ll keep an eye on his fingers. :thumb:

    lol
     
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  15. mjark

    mjark Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 15, 2015
    Maryland
    "The 'blue note' is usually taken to mean a flattened 5th..I can't say it's a note I use a lot in a blues solo." Most often we don't think about it because we bend. R m3 4 bend to 5 - b5 is in there!
     
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  16. TheDuck

    TheDuck Senior Stratmaster

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    I use the blue note consistantly in ascending / decending licks to smooth the transition in and out of the “King box” .

    Dont ever land on it though, the results arent pleasant :confused:
     
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  17. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Well said.

    What annoys me is there are still books (and on-line tutorials) out there that show a minor pentatonic scale, with this magic 'blue note' added, and claim this is the 'blues scale'! That pretty much sends whoever buys those books off into the wilderness until they gain enough experience to realize that's not how a lot of blues solos work.

    Unfortunately, some guitarists get so fixated by this 'minor box pattern', that they really struggle to recover from this repetitive approach to playing. Show someone who has got a long way using those minor boxes a few Steve Cropper or BB King licks and it can almost devastate them, because they don't understand.
     
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  18. duzie

    duzie Strat-Talker Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I’m blue over my blues lol ...

     
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  19. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    @duzie – That is seriously cool! Lovely tone. Really nice sense of phrasing. Spot-on with your note choices. You got it.
     
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  20. mjark

    mjark Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 15, 2015
    Maryland
    if you know all five major and minor penatonic positions they can cover a lot of ground. What I hear way too often is people trying to use the minor only. The pentatonic scale does comprise most Blues licks, but there's nothing wrong with that at all. As I was trying to get Omar to see, Blues is mostly about time, or "feel".
     
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