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Lotus help found guitar inside couch

Discussion in 'Non-Fender S-Type Guitar Forum' started by Naucole, Jul 1, 2017.

  1. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    Hi, I'm very new to forum, spent the past few hours (actually all night as its 6am --7am - now) reading everything on every forum every picture ..... nothing looks like mine.

    Origin- June 2017 bought storage unit from divorcing couple. End of month I was moving out couch set when I happened along this red beauty of a guitar stuffed inside the couch., yes inside the cushions....
    One owner was born on an air base in Japan grew up there as a child moved back to usa and returned as adult stationed there for the air base.
    Being said this guitar has some massive damage. Would love to know as much as possible before I decide to invest money in this one. I've never touched electric but I think the name and flower logo just spoke.
    I don't care about name brands I own Aria Accoustic Student Guitar that I adore taking on canoeing hiking trips because of size,and am told it's best one they've heard sound wise. I also own a Epiphone Accoustic someone mistook for higher end sound wise that's ohhhh circa 2008 Japan lol. So see I don't really care i just love to know.


    Here's what I know....or rather think I know, please correct me with anything you find

    1. Circa 1970's possibly 1980's.
    - Wiring in the inside is Japanese or Korean it's white obviously orginal with yellowish colored fabric lines also. Versions made in India,later years had completely different wiring. I've attached tons of pictures or will attach so look away .... I can retake anything.

    -Lotus in 70 and 80 versions had the flower stamp below (some argue only 70's,versions but I'm not arguing show me proof) the name. There's too much argument on this topic of logos honestly. So pictures speak for themselves. But it seems in later years did away with pretty flower so ...it is,before 1982.

    If I mix up please inform.

    ---the tuners appear to be brand new -if anyone has name on those I'd appreciate.

    --the headstock I've not seen on any google picture of any color ... it just doesn't appear to exist at all under this brand name. It however does appear under the physedelic styles of Hondo around 1986 ish and they call the headstock jackson welcome to Google that. I'm attaching a hondo post picture I found in group that's similar to what I mean. But I've not found 1 reference to a Lotus having this design. (Did someone possibly change out the neck completely from newer model to older body ???)

    Attaching tons and tons of pictures detailing all of this on mine.

    Truss is trimage shape and black
    No retainer
    Fret count is 22
    Fret board and headstock appear to be a honey maple wood
    -I've read production info from Matsumoku Plant used this wood but I cannot confirm with proof.
    Bridge missing
    Volume and tone controls missing 2. Black tone knob.
    Input jack seems rather shiny so I'm guessing this is new.
    Tremelo missing
    Bunch of unknown holes but I also took this baby apart to see inside and have detailed extremely what she looks like.
    Please comment with only info that can help determine what this is, please don't argue as I've seen before ... specifics aren't that important I'd just love info on what where maybe a who on her....

    It's an odd location to store a guitar which made me the more curious. So if you've seen this guitar before by all means share them my info here id,love to chat as it appears she's been thru it.

    Lastly..... should I touch restoration (would it kill me budget wise to spend 300 on her yes .... so considering that ) ????? Or just let her live on my music wall displaying her travels haha .....which I don't mind either she's unique.

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  2. banjaxed

    banjaxed Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Mar 14, 2014
    Liverpool UK
    Hi and welcome to ST. Never seen a guitar like that before but I'm sure someone
    will be able to throw some light on its origins.
     
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  3. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    Lol... 7 hours googling .... nope I don't think google has either haha
     

  4. Jimi Lightning

    Jimi Lightning Senior Stratmaster

    Dec 21, 2016
    Ontario, Canada
    Interesting find. Quick google search said they were Korean Some were made in the Moridaira factory in Japan.
    From what I have seen on the internet they were regarded as being heavy and some threads said that the electronics were interesting....

    I haven't found one with the pointy headstock but the S type guitars had a multitude of styles for headstocks.

    I love old off shore guitars and a mystery so this is very interesting.

    Id heavy metal the !($(@ out of it and rock on.:thumb:
     
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  5. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    Full pictures
     

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  6. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    Uploading alot of pics I have tons of wiring and insides ...
     

  7. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    Neck frets truss explored


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  8. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    20170701_045101.jpg Body and dismantled


    These are the wires inside that I found for Korean plant ... 70'S
    They have writing on them I'm not sure what though but it's korean or Japanese ....

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  9. Jimi Lightning

    Jimi Lightning Senior Stratmaster

    Dec 21, 2016
    Ontario, Canada
    Wikipedia has a detaileed history on this company as I am sure you have seen.

    There arebalso threads on Lotus strats on squire talk.

    Harmony Central has a thread were this guitar pointy headstock and all are shown and the guitar is a sky blue, so this model does exist. You are not alone....
     
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  10. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    This is back area

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  11. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

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    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
     

  12. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    More ....
    If I miss anything ... tell me please I'll take picture
    Thank you
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  13. Naucole

    Naucole Strat-Talk Member

    11
    Jul 1, 2017
    USA
    Neat looking inside ... plastic connectors on the select pickups and springs just fell apart ...
    Is this orginal to lotus or possibly something loaded after?
     

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  14. Bodean

    Bodean Rock N Roll Ain't Noise Pollution Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    51
    Aug 23, 2014
    South Carolina
    With that headstock and pickups it is 80's.
     
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  15. Miotch

    Miotch Senior Stratmaster

    Age:
    57
    Jun 28, 2011
    ok
    Those "Select" designed by EMG pickups, although fairly cheap, are among the best ceramic pickups I've ever owned. I played them for many years gigging on a Strat after a recommendation by popular player (now-deceased) Glenn R. Townsend. I only got rid of them because another friend offered me a trade for a set of 57/62s, which was kind of a no-brainer for me.
     

  16. Jimi Lightning

    Jimi Lightning Senior Stratmaster

    Dec 21, 2016
    Ontario, Canada
    What was on the neck plate...

    http://www.matsumoku.org/models/serial_no.html

    No reference to these in my history of Japanese guitar book that I can find.

    I did find a thread that said thise pickups were standard in this guitar but cant relocate it. Gotta love the circular internet.

    My apoligies in advance if I am rehashing what you already spent hours looking at but am intrigued. The hardest guitar research I ever did was ion my Gemtone guitar and my Beckemer amp..... So I understand the frustration.
     

  17. Ahnlaashock

    Ahnlaashock Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 23, 2014
    St. Louis Area
    Almost the exact same guitar as the old Memphis strat. Laminate body, interesting necks, very soft fret wire. The bridge that is missing is the same one that came on the Memphis model. The bridge studs are screwed directly into the body, or that is what I have seen so far.
    Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your viewpoint, the name brand pretty much means even if it was perfect, it is still a $100 guitar today.
    I have a 690 that is a copy of the guitar they put on the cover the year they were made. I have a certified super strat made by them, the L1110, and because it says Lotus on the headstock, it is a $100 guitar many people will not even look at. It has quality tuners, a three piece 24 fret Gibson style neck, is made of Ash, and there is nothing cheap on the guitar. It even has decent pups. To buy anything comparable today would start around the $600, which is what this one sold for in the 80's. There were two of the top of the line strats. The L1110 and the L1190. There is a L1190 hanging in a shop not too far away for $100. Quality made set neck sculpted top superstrat that was $699 in the 80's. It needs to be rebuilt. It has been there for years now.
    No other quality set neck strat i know of would still be hanging there.

    The better models like the 690 and the 1110 or 1190, are all pretty nice guitars, but the only one that holds any value at all are the customs, the LP copies, and the 335 type that sold for the same price new in the 80-'s as the L1190. $699 list. They often go for over $300 for the best specimens.

    The better ones are pretty nice guitars, but if you start buying them, do it because you want that guitar. Don't do it to try to make money.
     

  18. Bodean

    Bodean Rock N Roll Ain't Noise Pollution Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    51
    Aug 23, 2014
    South Carolina
    it's got a story. I would hang it on the wall as the "couch potato guitar", and let the stories fly.:D
     
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  19. Jimi Lightning

    Jimi Lightning Senior Stratmaster

    Dec 21, 2016
    Ontario, Canada
    Maybe they were trying to ...cushion...the sound and not...fret... About it. It probably sounded ...divan...

    Okay Ill stop.

    It has a great back story and I would just gather parts as I came across them or found sales on the cheap and resserect it. But then again I am a collector of Teiscos so what do I know....lol
     
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  20. metale

    metale Strat-Talker

    Age:
    34
    150
    Jun 4, 2011
    Portugal
    Being stashed inside a couch and all... my guess is it's haunted. I would burn it and throw away the ashes.

    Kidding. I thing it's very cool. I would fix it and rock it. Measure the bridge posts, get a matching bridge and redo the wiring with good stuff.