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Major Scales, Modes and the Fretboard...

Discussion in 'Tab & Music Forum' started by AxemanVR, Oct 3, 2018.

  1. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    if you learn these 7 patterns, you will see how they fit together as one giant thing.
    once they are memorized, you will then be able to play them in any key you choose.
    the whole thing moves like on a conveyor belt.
     
  2. Bowmap

    Bowmap Senior Stratmaster - Really? Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2017
    Where?
    Hmmmm… I can imagine caveman saying as his neighbor was beating some sticks, "I have a theory that this will be called 'music'."
     
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  3. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    But it is sort of true.

    Musical styles develop, and later on folks try to analyze why it works.

    The musical sounds always come before the theory talk.
     
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  4. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    here is how the patterns all lock together.
    still F major
    guitar-maps-f-major_000.jpg
     
  5. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    heres another thing, and it may be a little confusing, but hear me out.
    lets say a song was in F major, but then it went to the key of C major, and you wanted to nail a solo using only one position.
    lets say the 13th fret.
    while the song is in F, you could play the F major, or IONIAN pattern, then when the song changes to the key of C major, you could stay right where you are, but play the F LYDIAN pattern, since you know lydian means IV, and F is the IV of C.
    of course, you would need to find the notes to resolve to that sound good.
     
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  6. Bowmap

    Bowmap Senior Stratmaster - Really? Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2017
    Where?
    I kinda get it. I am at a food court in a mall. My friends and I are all wanting a cheesesteak and then someone suggest sushi. We then decide on sushi and I did not have to move my car. So playing in I of F and it changes to C I do not have to re-locate on the neck but just use a different fingering.
     
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  7. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    I used to work on that a lot, because it helped me to keep my note values more even, and to make less use of triplets. Although I can't play it very fast, it definitely had a beneficial effect.
     
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  8. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    yes.
    and if you chose to start on the 12th fret, E, you would know that E is the iii of C, and to play the E phrygian pattern.
     
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  9. AxemanVR

    AxemanVR I appreciate, therefore I am... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 8, 2014
    Minnesota USA

    Or...

    you could have a little bit of cheesesteak and a little bit of sushi plus a chili dog!

    Ok, we are still talking about music here right?

    mmmmm chili dog...
     
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  10. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    @Bowmap
    now i have a little pop quiz for you.
    your still playing the song that goes from the key of F maj and changes to the key of C maj, only your hand is stuck on the fifth fret (A) position for some reason.
    what PATTERNS do you play for each key, starting on the fifth fret?

    think in terms of "what is A in relation to each of these keys", then refer to the chart in post #95.
     
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  11. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Lewisville, TX
    I will recommend what helped me break through with all this stuff, and playing lead in general.

    Put a bunch of songs you like in a single computer file on your computer. Hopefully, you have a way to play them loud enough so that you can play lead over them. Then do just that. I like to play them on 'random'.Over time, you will start identifying the keys and remembering them. Over time, you will recognize that the key you thought a lot of them were in is actually something like the mixolydian mode of another key. Both will work, but one will sound a little sweeter than the other.

    Play fills sometimes. Try to play full improvised leads. See how long you can go without a bad note. See if you can play straight double time notes non-stop without messing up. See if you can walk from one end of the board back to the other. Up, down, diagonal, forward, backward, up one string, back down another. Whatever you can think of. It's a blast. Double stops. Triads.

    You are only limited by your own creativity.

    I put large fretboard diagrams on my wall of the keys. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and A#. Why A#? Because A# major is the same as F Mixolydian. I love mixolydian.

    I still play free form over music all the time like that. I have over 500 songs in my improv file. It is an exhilarating, emotional experience every time.

    Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This was about a year after the diagrams were on my wall, about 4 years ago. Remember this is 100% improvised. There are clams. And the sound isn't great.

     
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  12. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    it says you have disabled play on other sites.
     
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  13. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Lewisville, TX
    I think I fixed it, maybe.
     
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  14. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    yep...works now. thank you.
    i guess i could have watched it on youtube but im lazy.:rolleyes:
    im listening now....so far there is some "eric johnsony" sounding stuff in there....sounds good.
     
  15. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Lewisville, TX
    Thanks, bro. It's funny how those things work. I don't think I've ever made it all the way through an EJ song. Not that I don't respect the hell outta him!
     
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  16. Bowmap

    Bowmap Senior Stratmaster - Really? Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2017
    Where?
    THIS IS A WRONG ANSWER - Bowmap


    OK... Making me think. Let's assume my fingers can only cover another 3 frets since my index finger is anchored on the 5th fret. Also assuming complete 7 note scales.

    F Major
    F Major at 5th Fret.png

    G Dorian
    G Dorian at 5th Fret.png

    A Phrygian
    A Phrygian at 5th Fret.png

    Bb Lydian
    Bb Lydian at 5th Fret.png

    C Mixolydian
    C Mixolydian at 5th Fret.png

    D Aeolian
    D Aeolian at 5th Fret.png

    E Locrian
    E Locrian at 5th Fret.png

    So how far off am I and where did my thinking go wrong?

    Cheers
     
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  17. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    okay, what is this? i said 5th fret. ok....PLEASE dont look for answers on the friggin internet.
    just answer my original question. all this stuff is too much. man you GOT THIS.
     
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  18. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
  19. Bowmap

    Bowmap Senior Stratmaster - Really? Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2017
    Where?
    I did not look for the answers but figured them out on my fret board. I just did not have a way to illustrate.
     
  20. heltershelton

    heltershelton ASKED TO LEAVE THE STAGE Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    there are TWO words to say. if you truly dont know, pm me and i will explain. it is VERY simple.