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Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Strat Jacket, May 12, 2018.
I'd prol' start with getting the neck sorted out then decide if I wanted to tackle the body issues.
Thanks for all the suggestions and opinions. All are appreciated.
I do have another Strat and an Epi Casino to play if I send out parts of this one for repair. Guess I'll need to get some pricing info and make some decisions.
Would anyone want to hazard a guess as to current value as-is? (as compared to an untouched '65 original)
It is worth what someone is willing to pay
I'd go to Ebay,Reverb,G Base and find out what a 1965 neck sold[in similar condition] for and a 1965 routed refinished body sold for.....
I had a dealer offer me 400 bucks for the neck, sight unseen, about 15 years ago. I turned him down after I stopped laughing. What a ridiculous way to destroy a survivor, no matter what the condition! While the neck is one of the most unmolested parts, it's also in need of the most work...
*fret refinish or replacement
*nut repair or replacement
I imagine that would be my starting point if I can get Dan Erlewine to do the work. I would not send it to a hack or inexperienced luthier or attempt it myself regardless of cost, too much potential for doing irreparable damage. I'd sooner leave it as-is.
I contacted Dan (Erlewine) this morning.
He got my photos and info but forgot to reply.
He can't do much in the way of quoting the work without seeing things "in person" (as he puts it...LOL!) so here is my new game plan;
I am going to send the neck only for evaluation. Why the neck?
It's the best and worst part of this guitar. Best, because it's all original except for the Schallers, which I'm keeping anyway. Worst, because it's seen the most abuse; nut wear, fret wear, fingerboard wear. After Dan gets it and evaluates what can be repaired/resurfaced as opposed to replacement and we arrive at a dollar figure, I can give the go-ahead and get the neck work done. If the neck is too far gone due to fretboard wear, etc, then the entire guitar is not worth restoring and I will simply leave it alone and play it.
Once the neck is (hopefully) refurbished, I can proceed with Plan B. What is plan B? Tell ya later...
NOTE: I intend to leave the finish and wood on the neck totally untouched; wear, dings, nicks and all.
OK; so for those who might be interested, here are the broad and flexible details of "Plan B".
*If...IF...the neck passes muster and DE is able to refurbish it without me spending a small fortune...I will then ship the body to him to have a grain-matching piece of alder grafted in. How close in matching and such will depend on what I turn up for research as to the original color. If it's a solid color, then matching the grain is not that critical.
*I will then have the original 1965 bobbin rewound by a reputable rewinder to somewhere between original specs and something giving the Rory Gallagher 'bite' depending on the winder's recommendations. Assuming the neck pickup going out on me is a solder joint or similar, I will re-use the neck and bridge pickups and try to obtain an aged pickguard, and knobs, and get some reproduction pots, hardware, 3-way switch and wiring that meets the original specs...maybe AV items if they are available.
*The chrome pickguard, Fat Strat and 5 way switch will go into a StewMac swamp ash body at some time in the future, which will get painted black like my 'FrankenStrat' is now...this way I can retain the guitar of my youth and add a Strat to the stable! I will try to find a non-trem hardtail body and may use a Schaller hardtail roller bridge on that one. Not sure what I would choose for middle/neck pickups on that one as the Fat Strat is way over-wound and is much louder and nastier than the originals.
All in all, I'm getting pretty stoked, but an awful lot depends on DE's eval of the '65 neck. If the neck can't be restored, there's little hope on moving forward, and I would probably just play it as-is.
As far as I can see, there's nothing on the neck that would keep it from being made 'usable' again. Divots can be fixed, frets replaced, missing fretboard bits replaced, nut replaced. Sure, it will cost $$$...
Grain matching...not worth the effort. Rout out the old and do a proper job of patching it...then paint it in your favorite '65 color. You are not restoring what will be a wildly valuable collectors item, it will be sort of an "original intent" restoration. You could get DE to 'relic' the body to match the wear on the neck. That might be cool.
That's what I would do. Properly done, the repairs will not be visible and the neck will be nicely playable.
That's kinds what I'm hoping for. Actually, the scalloping and wear on the fingerboard doesn't bother me at all. I do get some fret buzz though, so I'm thinking a good fret leveling or replacement is in order.
It wouldn't be worth the effort for me, no. DE could do it though. All depends on cost, I suppose. It would be nice to find out what the original color was and recreate it.
That was my thinking. Plus, it will be a much closer example of what it may have been all those years ago. If guitars could talk...the wear on the fretboard and frets was not all from me; in fact, most of it was there when I got it in '77-78 when it was a little over ten years old. Somebody rode this horse hard and put it away wet. I wish I knew who.
Do you have the original pots ?
Do you know if they were Stackpole or CTS ?
Either would be correct for a 1965.
CTS makes a guitar specific pot in the style of pre-1981 US made pots.
It is the 450G.
There is also the current production CTS Fender OEM pots.
Both are made in Taiwan.
PS - I'm having a bit of a challenge keeping up with all your separate threads.
I'd recommend sticking to one (or more) in the "Pre-CBS" forum.
No pots. The ones installed now were generic electronics store stuff back in '77
Sorry; yeah, kinda all over the place. I'm going to try to keep the main restoration thing on this thread.
Maybe The Mods can move it to the correct forum.
I wouldnt have the divots leveled out. The rosewood on a 65 is pretty thin already.
I probable would have had the work done locally and skipped the whole shipping. Dans pricing seems pretty high from what I seen on his website. 450 for a refret (basic price, will provide a quote for more complicated jobs).
Fret level and dress - 235. That is ridiculous if you ask me.
Well, I thought about that...and also considered what the cost would be if some 'expert' butched up my vintage neck. Probably not the difference in price. Anybody can pull frets but if you do it wrong you will pull material from the fretboard.
Dan does all his fret leveling in a neck jig and he's been doing this a long time; I remember reading his tech articles in Guitar Player Magazine back in the mid-'70s. Some things you can't put a price on...like quality of workmanship and reputation.
I had a local guy replace the nut on my Casino a few years back; he did an OK job but it's nothing to write home about.
Yeah, just ask @Folk_Hogan if it's worth the extra money...
Our own Fezz Parka has a 65 refinish players grade (but otherwise in great shape) that I think he was looking to sell for around $5-6K. I would say in the condition yours is in the best you could hope for is maybe $3K and that may be stretching it. With the body routed out and neck work needing to be done that would scare away most folks I think.
Thanks. I figured that, and this is one of the reasons I wanted to do this retro-resto to get it back as close to original as possible. While selling price really means little to me, I hope to pass this on to my kids and would like to leave more than a worn-out, used up old nag.
Last time I had it for sale, the best offer I got was 3k. I could part it out for more than that.
I've had it long time. I can keep it a little longer. LOL
Well, even at 3K that would be around 30X what I paid for it; not a bad profit for doing nothing...
Wow that is a crazy low offer. $3K is definitely way too low.
Yeah but Fezz's did not have a huge carving in the top and the other issues yours has. His was in great playing shape. Look around here, there are several videos of Fezz ripping it up on that sweet guitar.