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Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Scotty, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. Scotty

    Scotty Strat-Talker

    193
    Sep 30, 2014
    Glasgow, Scotland
    I see that there's a lot of posts about CS '69 pickups and whether or not they are in a classic player.

    I'm not looking for answer on that :)

    I bought a set of pickups taken from a 60's classic player strat. They look and feel like Fender pickups - however the DC output is slightly lower than I expected.

    They measure between 5.2 and 5.3. I was expecting an output more around the 5.8k mark.

    The question that I have is this. Has anyone measured the outputs on their 60's classic player strat and got a similar reading - or even a set of CS '69 pickups. Do they also vary towards a lower output?

    Thanks
     
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  2. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Apr 21, 2010
    London, UK
    The Custom 69s (were they really made in the Custom Shop?) in my CP60s Strat measured around 5.5k. I found them to be too weak & too bright, though many folk on here seem to love them.
     
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  3. Scotty

    Scotty Strat-Talker

    193
    Sep 30, 2014
    Glasgow, Scotland
    Thanks.
     
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  4. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Apr 21, 2010
    London, UK
    You might as well post some pics of them to see if people think they are genuine. Some people will tell you that they are the best pickups that Fender make. It's just that I'm not one of those people.....
     
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  5. TangerineDog

    TangerineDog Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 5, 2015
    The EU
    I used to be in the 'pickups make all the sound'-camp for a long time.

    Then, I swapped pickups in my Strats and was blown away by the difference.
    So go ahead and fit them. See if you like how they sound with that guitar.

    As for the Custom Shop issue, there are Custom Shop Custom 69s and Custom 69s.
    The former you can find on the Fender webpage, the latter in Mexican made Strats - in the specs of the CP 60s, the pickups are listed as Custom '69s.
    My guess is they've got similar specs, but are wound in different countries.

    As for if they're genuine, you do know they came from a CP 60s, right? If so, they're Fender.
    The different country of origin might account for the differences in DCR.
     

  6. Skinny Nitro

    Skinny Nitro Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 21, 2013
    Merseyside UK
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  7. TangerineDog

    TangerineDog Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 5, 2015
    The EU

  8. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Apr 21, 2010
    London, UK
    Was it?
     

  9. Tone Guru

    Tone Guru Senior Stratmaster

    Dec 13, 2011
    Music City TN
    Ohms readings on Fender pickups will vary over a range from the listed spec.
    I've seen Custom Shop or Custom '69s vary from 5.5k to about 6.0k.
    Most are fairly close to spec at 5.8k, though.

    Probably due to variations in the thickness of the wire because most pickups are usually wound to a specific number (or range) of turns.
     

  10. Groovey

    Groovey Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 17, 2016
    NC. USA
    Let's not forget resistance varies a bit with temp. I think for copper wire it's a greater number as temp increases. Cooler temp , lower number.
     

  11. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 21, 2010
    Sheffield, UK
    That covers the pickup descriptions (and everything else) since the Classic Players were first introduced I think.
     

  12. Tone Guru

    Tone Guru Senior Stratmaster

    Dec 13, 2011
    Music City TN
    Thermal coefficient of Copper near room temperature is +.393%/°C.
    Assuming a range of room temperature from 68 °F (20 °C) to 72 °F (22.2 °C)
    A pickup that measures 5.8k Ohms @ 68 °F will increase to about 5.85k Ohms @ 72 °F.
    Not enough to account for the range of reported variations.
     
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  13. Groovey

    Groovey Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 17, 2016
    NC. USA

  14. TangerineDog

    TangerineDog Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 5, 2015
    The EU
    According to @davidrf, it was.
     

  15. sjtalon

    sjtalon Senior Stratmaster

    Because of the controversy with some not wanting to accept what info comes right from several FENDER sources, the argument of what those pups are will go on and on and on and on.

    Whatever. People are going to believe what THEY want to believe, and do their darnedest to get you to think they are right. For reasons I don't understand. Fender haters I suppose is what it boiles down to.

    Anyway, for starters;

    The Custom Shop '69 pickups do historically read a tad low dcr wise to what is advertised.

    Read what Tone Guru pointed out, as well as my meter, their meter, your meter.................. and the fact that in a true blind a/b test, anyone that could tell the difference between two pickups in the same hole, same geetar, even up to 500Ω apart should probably work for the US military in some scary top secret unknown location.

    In other words. variation in dcR is a given, and one half turn on a pickup screw can do more than splitting hairs on what that box says readings should be.

    Happy pickin'
     

  16. sjtalon

    sjtalon Senior Stratmaster

    Ya, even some with the initials "AY" (so called, made under her watch) read a little low too, 5.38, 5.4, 5.56, 5.58.

    I have one (just plain) I put in my Nashville Telecaster that is 5.24KΩ.

    I would differently give them a try though, not to be swayed what others may say of them. YOUR geerar, YOUR ears.

    Do play with height adjustments as that can make or break ANY pickup.

    Three best Fender Strat pickups on the planet earth:
    CS'69
    57/62
    American Standard/Series (prior to F50's).

    .02 and such as.
     
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  17. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    What year did the Standards switch to "F50s?"

    Just Curious?
    Gene
     

  18. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Lewisville, TX
    2012 for Fat 50s
     

  19. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    That's kinda what I thought, thanks. Out of curiosity, what pickups and/or what were they called in prior years of the Standard, say 2010? Just looking for extra info on my "new to me" 2010 American Standard. The pickups sound quite similar to the ABY signed '69 Custom Shop pups that came in my 2006, '60s Classic Player. They also have similar non-beveled pole pieces. I think they sound very nice! :D

    Thanks Again,
    Gene
     
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  20. sjtalon

    sjtalon Senior Stratmaster

    They didn't have a name really, just what came stock in them from factory, American Standard '87/Series/Standard to 2012.

    They are the benchmark modern Strat tone I would say.
     
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