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playing a little bit of jazz

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by montemerrick, Feb 19, 2018.

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  1. fezz parka

    fezz parka Off.... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
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    Barney Kessel

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    Bob Bain

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    Tommy Tedesco

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    My teacher and mentor, Howard Roberts

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    Jazz giants...session giants. Not a Strat in sight. :)
     

  2. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

    delightful!!!
     
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    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter


  4. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
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  5. fezz parka

    fezz parka Off.... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
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    The Tedesco pic above. Look at the name on the drum case....:)
     
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  6. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

    i see Earl ***mer ... going to guess P-A-L as the missing letters...
     
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  7. fezz parka

    fezz parka Off.... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
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    Here's some little shizz to remember:

    Chord progressions are harmonized scales.

    There are three main progressions to learn :

    Major, minor and circle.

    C Major (harmonized from the major scale CDEFGAB ) :
    I-C / ii-Dm / iii-Em / IV-F / V-G / vi-Am / vii*-Bdim.

    A Minor (relative to C Major, harmonized from the A natural minor scale ABCDEFG ):
    i-Am/ii°-Bdim/III-C/iv-Dm/v-Em/VI-F/VII-G.

    Same chords as the C major progression played starting on the vi instead of the I.

    Circle progressions:

    Major Circle chord progression: I-IV-vii*-iii-vi-ii-V-I.

    In C: Cmaj7-Fmaj7-Bm7b5-Em7-Am7-Dm7-G7-Cmaj7.

    The Minor Circle progression is this: i-iv-VII-III-VI-ii*-V-i.

    In A (relative minor to C major): Am7-Dm7-G7-Cmaj7-Fmaj7-Bm7b5-E7-Am7

    All of your basic turnarounds back to the one will be in the circle progressions.

    Everything you need to build a song is above. Once you know these progressions, and can transpose them to other key centers, the world will be your oyster. :)
     
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  8. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

    so Breezin is basically this but at a different starting point...
     
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  9. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    And that's where the secondary dominants come into play.

    like a good way to get to those other keys
     
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  10. fezz parka

    fezz parka Off.... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
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    I/vi/ii/V/I. Still a circle. :)
     
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  11. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Yup - it begins on the I instead of ending on I.
     
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  12. fezz parka

    fezz parka Off.... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
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    I'll look for the original thread. :)

    It was put together by @simoncroft .
     

  13. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
    northeastern usa
    This guy knows the recipe:
     

  14. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Without a derailment of thread, I personally don't see how I would be able to learn much without concentrating on comping the songs. Maybe EXCLUSIVELY working on that for a good while.
     
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  15. Eoraptor1

    Eoraptor1 Senior Stratmaster

    Aug 4, 2008
    Niagara Falls, NY
    I see a lot of Mickey Baker love here. I have his book, but I usually work out of Joe Pass' lesson book. I like his "keep it simple, stupid" approach to chords. I also remember a thread asking if anyone uses small picks, which Mr. Pass recommends. I personally use all sorts of picks, small, large, triangular. I also use several types of coin. I don't know how much difference this makes, but Pass insists a small pick gets the player closer to the experience. He also recommends learning to fingerpick, but he says to use whatever technique works best for you personally, which is full-on blasphemy to several classical guitarists of my acquaintance.

    Enjoy



    JAMES
     
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  16. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
    northeastern usa
    Well, yeah... if you're trying to learn how to play over changes, you really need to know what the notes in the chords are.
    i did pretty much exactly what you are suggesting while working as an accompanist for a soprano sax player in a jazz duo:
    concentrated on learning to comp the songs in the standard repertoire.
    There's one thing you will learn pretty quickly, though; what @fezz parka and @davidKOS are saying about chord progressions
    will hold true for a great portion of those tunes. Welcome to Tin Pan Alley!
     
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  17. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

    unless its a very easy or familiar progression, i usually play along with chords before i try playing melodies... i mean so i can sort of learn how it goes... Breezin is an easy enough progression but to my ear a million times more subtle than say a I-IV-V so losing track of where i'm at in the heat of the moment has been know to occur here in Manila-town... if i worked exclusively on comping though, i would soon be looking for an open window to leap from...
     
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  18. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    I think I would need to just bar the window and go at it from the comping direction. I can't just get by on good looks and ears the way some people can.
     
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  19. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

    George Benson has the good looks and ears things down, that's true. He also probably comps pretty good too... myself, i rely strictly on my sincerity and Fool DNA. (i come from a long line of errant amblers without the good sense to watch their feet on a mountain trail.) IMG_5917.JPG
     
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  20. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
    northeastern usa
    Like the Fool heading for the precipice, here am i,
    playing around with a tele on one of my favourite standards:
     
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