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Practical Jazz Workshop #2

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by davidKOS, May 5, 2018.

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  1. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    but your skills are not yet complete

    BTW, Vader plays Dixieland banjo for fun. :rolleyes:

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  2. fezz parka

    fezz parka On...for Omar. Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
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    So I was outside sitting in the shade of a pinon playing the progression we're working on and started singing this:

    Now that I've lost everything to you,
    You say you want to start something new,
    And it's breaking my heart you're leaving....Baby, I'm grieving.

    Yep.....it's a wild world. :)
     
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  3. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Somehow I hear that I Nimoy's voice...with banjo accompaniment.

    Not to get off target, but even if you are not a jazz player, these chord changes - maybe not the whole cycle, like the songs fezz has used as examples - will come up in all sorts of musical environments.

    So many jazz tunes are built one them that it seems a "jazz" thing, but it isn't it's a music thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_progression

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi–ii–V–I

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    Submediant in chain of fifths.
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    vi–ii–V–I in C

    In music, the vi–ii–V–I progression is a chord progression (also called the circle progression for the circle of fifths, along which it travels). It is "undoubtedly the most common and the strongest of all harmonic progressions" and consists of "adjacent roots in ascending fourth or descending fifth relationship", with movement by ascending perfect fourth being equivalent to movement by descending perfect fifth due to inversion.[3]"

    There may also be the odd altered 4th or 5th movement...but that's just a little variation like from a CMaj7 to F#m7b5 to B7 to Em at the end of "Autumn Leaves".

    I post these easily searchable Wiki articles because they are worth reading to learn about music theory.
     
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  4. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachelbel's_Canon

    this tune uses a little bit of the circle:



    " From the 1970s to the early 2000s, elements of the piece, especially its chord progression, were used in a variety of pop songs. "

    Chord progression of the Canon
    No. Chord Scale degree Roman
    numeral

    1
    D major tonic I
    2 A major dominant V
    3 B minor submediant vi
    4 F♯ minor/
    D major mediant/
    first inversion
    of tonic iii/
    I6
    5 G major subdominant IV
    6 D major tonic I
    7 G major subdominant IV
    8 A major dominant V
     
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  5. fezz parka

    fezz parka On...for Omar. Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
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    You can't bring up Pachelbel without this: :)



    14 million views. Amazing.
     

  6. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Aug 9, 2017
    Marbella, Spain
    And that’s why I’d never become a jazz guitar player :rolleyes:
    Thank you so much David for your constructive comment and motivation. I was struggling to not sound bluesy in the solo. I tried to follow the changes and adding some dissonance. I’ll listen to your example to get a better idea of soloing in jazz. I’ll give it another go this weekend. Many thanks sir! :)

    Thank you brother :) I don’t trust that guy but I trust you ;)
     
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  7. jjlemon

    jjlemon Strat-Talker

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    Jun 27, 2015
    South Wales
    Watching TV the other night and the AD break came on, and I heard 'Sunny' by Bobby Hebb, well a small part of it. the chord progression or at least part of it sounded familiar,
    Am (miss out Dm and G) C7, F7, Bm7-5, E7 and repeat.

    He plays a nice jazzy intro on this live version.
     
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  8. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Aug 9, 2017
    Marbella, Spain
    I didn’t publish this because it’s incomplete. The solo part is slightly better than the one I shared last night.

     

  9. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    A few problems after a month off playing, so excuse crap notes and duff timing in the start. One run through as far as I could go then faded out when my arm was getting very tired.

     

  10. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

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    I'm impressed. If I come close to that I'll be happy.
     
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  11. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Aug 9, 2017
    Marbella, Spain
    Get well soon Mr Bit :)

    Thanks a lot my friend :) You can do way much better than that for sure :) Remember..feel it, sing it a long, don't think much, let it flow smoothly. On top of all, have fun!
     
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  12. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    nice ideas in the solo

    I also like the syncopated rhythm licks here and there. Once or twice you were "searching" but overall that fits the chords well.

    Good getting back to 2nd head.

    Again, good progress.
     
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  13. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California

    Welcome!

    another good clean tone choice - I like hearing the variety

    head sounds good....

    I like where you are going on this....some cool ideas in the solo...good use of melodic groupings.

    Nice bends, too.

    When the arm is not so tired, I'd love to hear more.

    Thanks for joining in.
     
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  14. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Aug 9, 2017
    Marbella, Spain
    Thank you once again David for bearing with me :D I hope that Jass Jassington doesn’t ask me to the leave the stage lol.

    Really thank you for encouraging me :)

    Describe me well :D
     
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  15. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    QUESTION FOR WORKSHOP MEMBERS

    We are at the halfway point this month, so what would help any of you with where you are now in the learning process?
     
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  16. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

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    Jan 22, 2016
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    For me personally, nothing but time. I don't really have any problems grasping theory, it's the execution that throws me.
     
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  17. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    And that's where the on-line forum is not as good as me sitting next to you and suggesting ideas about improving execution, beyond the obvious "practice more".
     
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  18. Omar

    Omar Most Inquisitive Junior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Aug 9, 2017
    Marbella, Spain
    Phrasing and soloing is my dilemma. @heltershelton once told me that nobody can teach you to become creative. I need to listen more to songs to build a memory of phrasing.
     
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  19. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Listen and try to imitate the phrasing you like.
     
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  20. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

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    Jan 22, 2016
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    Aye, but it's still a whole lot better than me noodling by myself in front of the TV :)
     
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