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Practical Jazz Workshop #3 - Out Of Nowhere

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by dogletnoir, Jun 2, 2018.

  1. duzie

    duzie Strat-O-Master Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    57
    850
    May 1, 2016
    northwest nj
    That cm6 is killing me lol

     
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  2. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
    northeastern usa
    It's pretty simple... you gave it a try, but you really don't like the music, and that's OK.
    To thine own self be true.
    Sorry to see you go, but thanks for giving it a chance anyhow.
     
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  3. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

    Age:
    38
    Jan 22, 2016
    Sweden
    Try barring the bottom 5 strings on the first fret, put your middle finger on the 2nd fret of the g string, ring finger on 3rd fret on A string (root) and pinkie on third fret of high e string.
     
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  4. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    59
    May 21, 2010
    Sheffield, UK
    I'm knocking on this one, I just can't get on with the melody and I really can't be bothered wasting any more time with it. I shall keep the chord structure on file though, because I quite like that. Maybe next month will appeal more.
     
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  5. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Recording sales mostly. It's about the same for classical music.
     

  6. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    No problem, come back when you wish.

    What would appeal to you for next month? - we have not decided yet.
     
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  7. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    59
    May 21, 2010
    Sheffield, UK
    I never know until it comes to playing. I'll dip in and out, but I learn something new from each thread, so I'll just keep watching and join in when it gels.
     
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  8. CigBurn

    CigBurn Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    60
    Jun 22, 2014
    Same Shed Different Day
    Holy cripes I totally missed this. Other life stuff has kept me fairly busy and had decided I didn't have the time this month for yet another thing to focus on so hadn't poked my head in here, and missed Fezz's departure.

    So many things to be grateful for in life and Fezz is definitely one of them, so this counts as a real loss. What a drag.

    Fair winds desert sailor...
     

  9. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
    northeastern usa
    i've often heard it said that the true test of any sailor is keeping the boat going
    in light &/or flukey wind conditions.
    Yes, it is a regrettable loss for sure.
    Still, i'm convinced that the best way to deal with it is just to continue on here
    and hope that people will still participate in both this and future PJW threads.
    "... go to the music. Listen to it... play it."
    That's a pretty clear message right there.
     
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  10. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
    northeastern usa
    WWFGD? (what would Freddie Green do?)
    A quick and easy voicing for a C minor 6th would be 2nd finger on the low E string at the 8th fret,
    1st finger on the D string at the 7th fret, and 3rd finger on the G string at the 8th fret again.
    (it will look like a triangle, easy to spot and remember).
    That will give you C as the root, then A (the 6th) and Eb (the minor 3rd) on top, and that's really
    all you need to outline a C minor 6.
     
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  11. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    I already gave that info

     
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  12. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    voice chords on strings 6, 4 and 3; drop to 2 or even one note only at time.

    bigger isn't always better

    http://www.freddiegreen.org/

    http://www.freddiegreen.org/technique.html

    http://www.freddiegreen.org/technique/romani.html

    http://www.freddiegreen.org/technique/chirillo.html

    "Amazing though it may seem to the unenlightened, and as you obviously well know, "All they want to hear is the fourth string" as Bucky Pizzarelli would say. One note on the fourth string is all the band needs to feel."

    "At a slower or medium tempo Freddie would sometimes interject 'two or three note chords' (played on the fourth and third strings, adding the sixth string for full three note chords)"

    http://www.freddiegreen.org/technique/mp_downbeatFeb04.html

    http://www.freddiegreen.org/technique/berens.html

    "
    1. Primarily use three note voicings on strings 6, 4, and 3; and four note voicings on strings 6, 4, 3, and 2.

    2. Avoid barre chords. They take up too much space in the sound spectrum.

    3. Avoid perfect fifths between strings 6 and 5. This sounds muddy and will interfere with the bass player's sound.

    4. Don't add extensions past the 7th, unless specifically called for in the chart.

    5. Don't add your own extensions, as they will likely conflict with the piano player's part as well as the horn parts."
    http://www.freddiegreen.org/technique/ness.html

    http://www.freddiegreen.org/technique/pettersen.html

    " that the essence of Freddie's 1950's style came from playing "chords" that contained only one clearly sounded note. Every article I found about Freddie claimed that he used standard three note chord voicings, played on the 6th, 4th, and 3rd strings. [See Example 1.] Freddie undoubtedly knew these voicings and used them when appropriate, but numerous careful listenings to 1950's Basie recordings led me to reject these three note chords as Freddie's primary voicings. "

    Those 6,4 and 3 string voicings were standard for a swing era guitar player.

    So read those articles and see what Freddie Green really did do.
     
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  13. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

    Age:
    38
    Jan 22, 2016
    Sweden
    Yes it is. That's real tricky.
     
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  14. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

    i may be resorting to phone recordings on my acoustic... light and/or flukey conditions prevail here in the concrete* world too


    *although I object to the use of "concrete" to mean the actual when in fact concrete is an abstraction of rock. rock is real. but if i say here in the rock world, everyone will start singing janey's got a gun.
     
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  15. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir Most Honored Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2013
    northeastern usa
    Indeed you did, and i should have said, "As davidKOS has already mentioned...", sorry.
    Repetition is not a bad thing when it comes to teaching, though. :)
     
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  16. davidKOS

    davidKOS Musician, Composer, Teacher Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 28, 2012
    California
    Not at all...but I was making sure.

    You have to have heard it once to be able to hear it again, as in repetition.

    I was also a bit insecure that folks missed my posts about chords.
     
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  17. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

    i read your posts thoroughly.
     
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  18. Eoraptor1

    Eoraptor1 Senior Stratmaster

    Aug 4, 2008
    Niagara Falls, NY
    Hope this helps.



    JAMES
     
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  19. rolandson

    rolandson Senior Stratmaster

    Oh...
    Well...ahh...yeah. I've been a bit preoccupied. I am just seeing this now.
    Sorry to see you leave. I don't have an email address for you so...

    Adios mi amigo! Vaya con dios...!
     

  20. Eoraptor1

    Eoraptor1 Senior Stratmaster

    Aug 4, 2008
    Niagara Falls, NY
    Here's another from Jazz at Lincoln Center's Jazz Academy. If you're interested in this type of music, I recommend subscribing on YouTube. Hope this helps.



    JAMES
     
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