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PreCBS Weight Survey - Help Me Out!

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by Bazz Jass, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. Nokie

    Nokie Strat-Talk Member

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    The collector at the site I linked didn't offer any support for his claim that '55's were lighter (although I think he was comparing them specifically to the '54's). I like hearing there are some really heavy '55's' as it endears mine even more to me - the light weight and feel of the fat v-neck are my favorite features of the old guitar. When you say the '55's are not generally lighter, is this based on a compiled list of weights? If so, how many samples from each year have been collected? I'd love to see the data!
     
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  2. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

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    I think Clay from guitarhq has had enough examples and references to make his statement. Probably more than me.

    My statement was made on the data I have on 172 guitars. Of only 10 were 55's.
    I'm using data of guitars I had in my hands or where I'm 100% sure they are original and measured the same way I do. So no refinishes or modified strats. All examples are tremolo guitars and weight was always taken without tremolo arm and ashtray cover.

    If I look at the top 10 of lightest recorded strats I measured, 4 of them were 55's.
    Of the 10 heaviest ones, only one was a '55.
     
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  3. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

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    Important side note on my comment above. Of course all 55's are ash bodies, the top 10's consist of alder and ash bodies.

    If I look at the 10 lightest ash body Strats, 6 of them are from 1955. (Data from ten 55's and 51 ash guitars in total)
     
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  4. Nokie

    Nokie Strat-Talk Member

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    Thanks for the further notes! I didn't have the ashtray on mine (and don't have it to begin with) when I put it on the scale.
     
  5. wht1

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    The 6.0 pound hardtail Strat I mentioned earlier has a body date of 9/54 and a neck of 5-55. The difference is explained in Forest White’s book when he noted that non-trem (hardtail) models weren’t officially made available until the spring of ‘55, but they were making bodies and necks and dealer samples earlier. So the body is a ‘54 (but the guitar was born in ‘55). In 2012 I sold that Strat to Ron Wood. He has been using it on every Stones tour since. He has 3 or 4 ‘55 Strats that he rotates. I have detailed pics inside and out and someday I’ll start a thread on it. It has an interesting history and is a cool guitar. Like all ash bodies, the grain is unique (like a fingerprint) and I can spot it in photos and videos. I don’t have good pics of it at the moment as I’m traveling. Here is a quick look:
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  6. Bluebird_12

    Bluebird_12 Strat-Talker

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    That's an awesome guitar and story. Would love to see the pictures and details when you get a chance to post them.

    Sent from my Nexus 5X using Strat-Talk mobile app
     
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  7. wht1

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    I’ll try to work it up in the not to distant future. It’s an interesting story as I bought it from the original owner who bought it in NYC in 1955. It would be a lengthy post as I have pictures from the early days onward. It took 57 years to make it to the stage, but what a stage to end up on!
     
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  8. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    Here is what i have kicking about at home at the moment, more to come later when the guitars are to hand

    54 S/B 3.005kg
    57 Black 4.059kg
    59 S/B 4.150kg
    62 CAR 3.768kg
    63 White 3.383kg
    64 L/H blue 3.450kg
     
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  9. McPhaul

    McPhaul Strat-Talk Member

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    That is one light '54.
     
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  10. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    yep that 54 is a light one but she sings, not a lot of paint left on her though
    I've done a few more this morning as the misses is out at work!!!!

    56 White 3.6kg
    57 White 4.0kg
    59 Fiesta Red 3.4kg
    62 Dak Red 3.7kg
    62 S/B 3.8kg

    all my guitars are currently without ash tray and trem cover
    but with trem arm attached and running 3 springs
     
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  11. bandmaster

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    Bazz Jass; do you have a copy of the Galaxy Of Strats book? It has a great database on weight and measurements on pre CBS Strats.
    And great pictures to look at.
     
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  12. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

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    Those are included in the list I provided him. That's what made me keep a list of my own. :D
     
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  13. Michelotti

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    A few more:
    1957 No Trem 6lbs 3ozs
    1958 Trem 7lbs 8ozs
    1961 Trem 7lbs 13ozs
    1962 Trem 6lbs 15ozs
    1963 Trem 7lbs 6ozs
    1963 Trem 7lbs 7ozs
    1963 Trem 7lbs 4ozs
    1963 Trem 7lbs 5ozs
     
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  14. Bazz Jass

    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I really should! The best deal deal by far on this book is from Amazon Japan - about $35US including shipping:

    http://amzn.asia/d/hFZnKd3
     
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    You really should get a copy, it's one of my favorite Strat books. I never get tired looking at these beautiful Strat pictures.

    Here my Strats:

    1956 Ash/Maple with Trem 7lbs 2oz or 3.23kg
    1956 Alder/Maple with Trem. 7lbs 4oz or 3.29kg
    measured with a digital fishing scale. I found these the best to weight guitars.
     
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