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Questions on couple of Japanese Teles

Discussion in 'Telecaster/Esquire Forum' started by ivan H, Nov 4, 2017.

  1. ivan H

    ivan H Strat-Talker

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    Ok, so I'm after a Tele to do a Keef Riffhard "Micawber" type thing, not the look, just the 5 string, open G, hot bridge/PAF type neck type thing. I have the chance to buy 2 Fender Japan teles, reasonably same price range. The first is this C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_fender-tele-52-1995_01.jpg C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_fender-tele-52-1995_06-600x600.jpg
    This is a 1995 '52 with V shaped neck & vintage frets, 7.25 radius. Question for the knowledgeable, does that body look like ash or basswood. Seller lists it as a "light weight" Tele.
    The second is this C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_fender-tele-71_05-600x600.jpg C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_fender-tele-71_05.jpg
    This is a 2004 '71 reissue & I believe an ash body. Questions, I "believe" these MIJ's to be pretty well the same spec as the USA models they are made after, so will a Gotoh 6 saddle (201 type) bridge plate mount straight to them, ie, mounting screw holes be in the same place. Is there any reason one would be preferable over the other for a Micawber conversion. Thanks in advance. Cheers
     

  2. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
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    Something looks un-ash like about that top one, for sure. It's closer to Micawber though.
     
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  3. ivan H

    ivan H Strat-Talker

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    Thanks for the quick answer. I've tried looking for the specs but cant find a lot about. I know about zilch regarding timbers but do know basswood is a soft, light wood, & the seller does say its light. I've read its a kinda redish colored wood, but also that it can be bleached. Any more answers appreciated. Cheers
     

  4. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I'm not sure about this, but don't the Japanese guitars use metric spec parts, while the USA remains alone in the world to use imperial? Or isn't it that simple?
     
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  5. Deebs3

    Deebs3 Strat-O-Master

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    Love that natural finish, I think it may not be basswood, isn't that reserved for the charcoal bursts? Currently gassing for one that's all.
     
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  6. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Basswood isn't reserved for anything, it's used for a whole variety of guitars. The top one looks a bit like sen to me.
     
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  7. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

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    I don't know if the top one is sen or ash but it's definitely not basswood. Basswood has very little grain in comparison.

    20671-02-1000.jpg
     
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  8. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

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    And yeah, all MIJ guitars I've owned used metric measurements.
     
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  9. danlad

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    The 71 (if like mine) will have 70s style tuners & logo, which I suppose means more things to change if you're going full replica rather than just putting in a humbucker. Neck quite slender.

    But yeah, vintage mount bridge so if the Gotoh bridge is that it ought go on fine.
     
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  10. ivan H

    ivan H Strat-Talker

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    The bridge is my biggest concern. Here is Stew Mac's dimensions for the Gotoh GT201 bridge C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_images(19).png
    As you can see, the outside two mounting holes are 2.550" apart, center to center & the inner two are spaced 0.850" from the outters. If you could check these dimensions against yours I would be truly appreciative. The Gotoh 201 has a brass base plate like Keith had fitted to Micawber. A full on replica would be cool, but I'm not really thinking of doing. Just the brass, 6 (5) saddle bridge, bridge pickup wound to 10k, reverse mounted PAF neck pickup (I have A2 & A5 types to try, both symmetrical & assymetrical coils) & broadcaster blender control wiring. I have a Gibson 300k pot for the volume. Cheers
     

  11. danlad

    danlad Strat-Talk Member

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    I'll check with my ruler tomorrow
     
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  12. ivan H

    ivan H Strat-Talker

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    Thankyou. Cheers
     

  13. Skinny Nitro

    Skinny Nitro Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    The Gotoh bridge is standard vintage screw fixing as used on Fender Pat Pend, Mex Standard and all other aftermarket vintage style bridges.

    The wood used for the natural body as Stratman323 said is almost certainly the so called Japanese "Ash" or Sen not North American Swamp Ash.
    True Japanese Ash is known as Tamo in Japan.
    Sen comes from a different family of trees to ash but has a similar appearance.
     
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  14. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    But is the Gotoh stuff metric or imperial? Surely that's the most important thing to know?

    Apparently sen is more closely related to ivy than anything else.
     
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  15. danlad

    danlad Strat-Talk Member

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    With a squint & a steel rule I get 64mm centre to centre, outer mounting screws, so sounds bob on. Any discrepancy will be me not lining the ruler up straight!
     
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  16. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    The first one is definitely not basswood. It's probably sen.
     
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  17. Skinny Nitro

    Skinny Nitro Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Gotoh parts are generally in metric. If there are compatibility issues they use the closest metric to imperial.

    Standard Gotoh SD91 tuner posts are 6.35mm. The original Klusons had 1/4" posts
    In decimal terms they are the same size 0.25".

    Take string spacing. Vintage Tele is 2 1/8", Gotoh spacing is 54mm with six 10.8mm saddles.
    How close is 54mm to 2 1/8"?
    In decimal terms 2.1259" and 2.1250". A difference of 0.0009"

    The Gotoh drawing for the GTC201 bridge is metric, different to the Stewmac.
    Gotoh_gtc201_202_bridge.jpg
     
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  18. danlad

    danlad Strat-Talk Member

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    Also, my TL71 is meant to be ash, looks very like the photo. 2005 I think mine is. Will get a gratuitous grain photo.
     
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  19. danlad

    danlad Strat-Talk Member

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    Gratuitous grain photos not coming, stupidly unresponsive phone
     

  20. ivan H

    ivan H Strat-Talker

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    Thank you very much, greatly appreciated. I've looked at the drawings for the stock 3 saddle bridge, Gotoh GT201, including the one posted by Skinny Nitro (cool name) above, the Wilkinson 6 saddle, & yes, I believe it'll be no problem. I think I'll go with the 2004 model. Thanks for all the answers guys. Cheers