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Real or fake 60s strat?

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by archiehedgeevans, Oct 7, 2017.

  1. archiehedgeevans

    archiehedgeevans New Member!

    Age:
    18
    5
    Oct 7, 2017
    England
    There is a strat for sale near me with a serial number dating it to 1963, seems too good to be true at the price it is. What are the tell tale signs that it is a fake? How will I be able to tell if its genuine? I have included some pictures of it the seller sent me.

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  2. shadoogie

    shadoogie Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    72
    530
    Jun 16, 2012
    Slough, UK
    What price is he asking? That would be a good clue to start with?
     

  3. archiehedgeevans

    archiehedgeevans New Member!

    Age:
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    Oct 7, 2017
    England
    she said i can have it for 600, but doesn't seem to know a lot about guitars. She says it was a gift a while ago and doesn't know anything about it, seems like she doesn't play guitar herself or tried to learn and gave up
     

  4. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Sweden
    No Clay Dots nor mint Nitrate guard. Not a pre cbs bridge
     

  5. archiehedgeevans

    archiehedgeevans New Member!

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    England
    clay dots?
     

  6. shadoogie

    shadoogie Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    72
    530
    Jun 16, 2012
    Slough, UK
    If it turns out to be real then it is up to your conscience.
     
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  7. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Sweden
    These are clay dots which you find on every Fender neck up to mid -64 this guitar doesn't have it. Also the neck has medium jumbo frets .
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  8. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Sweden
    To put it to you like this, the guitar you show isn't vintage at all. My guess a partcaster put together by a guitar enthusiast. Would have to dismantle the guitar to see the neck pocket, routing and neck heel plus the electronics to tell the value of it.
     
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  9. Mr Dunlop

    Mr Dunlop Senior Stratmaster

    Nov 30, 2014
    usa
    The tuners are incorrect. The serial number logo is wrong. The saddles, fret dot markers also wrong.
    Doest look like a pre cbs to me
     

  10. archiehedgeevans

    archiehedgeevans New Member!

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    England
    thanks for all the help, thought it was way too good to be true but worth asking on that tiny chance it was maybe a real one and the find of a lifetime
     

  11. Vjerilood

    Vjerilood Strat-Talker

    Age:
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    397
    Jul 30, 2017
    USA
    Classic. Set you up to believe you're taking advantage of her.
     

  12. stratistically

    stratistically Strat-O-Master Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
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    799
    Dec 24, 2013
    England
    There are intermittent markings of some kind down the bass side of the neck. What's all that about?
     

  13. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Sweden
    You're right, it's on the side of the 15th fret. Weird
     

  14. archiehedgeevans

    archiehedgeevans New Member!

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    fairly sure they are fret number stickers, people new to playing use them, hence why i thought they seemed like they didn't know much at all about guitars
     
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  15. jvin248

    jvin248 Strat-O-Master

    989
    Jan 10, 2014
    Michigan
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    While the details show not pre-cbs .... it has a lot of good details from later years. It's not the typical gussied up Squier with a logo rubbed off.

    What's a partscaster like this worth, or is it a reissue, or? The $600 price gets it in the range of some MIMs yet if the parts are all MIA they start to be worth more.

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  16. squierp

    squierp Strat-Talk Member

    80
    Mar 15, 2017
    USA
    Partscasters are rarely worth much, I'd skip it if I were looking for a guitar I wanted to sell later.
     

  17. IronSchef

    IronSchef Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    54
    821
    May 17, 2012
    Fox Point, WI
    Looks like the water slides are peeling off?
     

  18. YALCaster

    YALCaster Strat-Talker

    Age:
    19
    269
    Mar 14, 2017
    America
    Is it me or does the pickguard cut look awfully sharp to the top left of the bridge plate

    Edit: the whole cut is awful there
     
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  19. dueducs

    dueducs Strat-O-Master

    A '63 should have three patent numbers I believe (I only saw two).