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Richlite boards: Pros & Cons

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  1. arcticstrat

    arcticstrat Senior Stratmaster

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    Like I said, it was only my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :)

    I'm glad you're okay with the Richlite composite fretboard, enjoy! :thumb:
     
  2. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

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    In 1000 years when the landfills are full of undecomposed richlite boards, they will be wishing we had kept using wood.

    Save the rainforests by using plastic. How can environmentalists get behind that?

    It's about money, not resources!
     
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  3. Guy Named Sue

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    Using a phenolic resin in the manufacturing process, Richlite achieves unsurpassed quality in the finished product and minimizes energy consumption, with no added Urea Formaldehyde. In addition to reduced energy consumption, the phenolic resin has the EcoBind™ designation, due to the fact it is one of the lowest VOC emitters on the resin market. EcoBind™ resins have been formulated to meet or exceed all global emission standards including US HUD, European EMB, and Japanese standards, as well as specifications recommended by the Green Building Council and the State of California.
    https://www.richlite.com/sustainability/
     
  4. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Emissions have nothing to do with how long it takes for a plastic to decompose.
     
  5. dirocyn

    dirocyn Senior Stratmaster

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    Richlite fingerboards will be the least of their worries in 1000 years. Plastic grocery bags and drinking straws and soda bottles and automobile dashboards will all be bigger problems.
     
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  6. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Oh, I know. I'm playing devil's advocate. It's just funny when the solutions to environmental problems are more plastic.

    I'm sure they'll have converted all the garbage into some kind of clean energy by then.
     
  7. nadzab

    nadzab Peace & Love, my Brothers & Sisters... Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Is an ES-335 inferior because it's made of plywood? Thin layers of veneer bonded with a resin-based glue? Doesn't sound much better than a wood-based composite, if you ask me.
     
  8. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Richlite sounds more like particle board.
     
  9. Neil.C

    Neil.C Most Honored Senior Member

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    Yep.

    I wouldn't worry about Richlite too much.

    When I am in the USA I am amazed that all the stores still dish out plastic bags willy nilly for everything.

    Over here plastic bags have become an anathema with stores charging you a tax if you want a new one and giving you a rebate if you reuse old bags.
     
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  10. Musekatcher

    Musekatcher Strat-O-Master

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    Gibson's woes were not coming from the instrument division. Their sales in that division remained in the black. It was the high debt and low return associated with shifting markets for obsolete products - bad acquisitions in markets they didn't understand.

    But I think your point is that Gibson's marketing claims associated with richlite might not be objective, and that would be a good point. From their site:

    "After two decades of research and discussions with guitarists, Gibson determined that Richlite was not only the best alternative to woods like ebony, but was actually superior. Although the downside is that it’s more expensive to make guitars with Richlite fretboards than ebony, there are some very attractive benefits."

    But they go on to contradict these statements:

    "you don’t have to wade through batches of Richlite to find “good” Richlite" - code for cheaper

    "Richlite is at least equal to ebony" - contradicts superior

    "In a world where ebony is becoming increasingly problematic" - problematic is code for higher production costs, not problematic in performance, or service to the owner

    The article is trying to convince us its superior in performance, equal in performance, greater in cost, and cheaper in cost. Not a very well written defense at all. Also, it doesn't seem to align with their branding and pricing strategy, nor its customers. Gibson buyers aren't looking for cheaper products, nor are they looking to save the environment thru a product purchase. The best purchase to save the environment, is to buy[recycle] an existing guitar, not a new one....o_O

    Everyone should agree, that richlite has been used for quite a while now on top name instruments, and therefore is "ok" as long as you the consumer are ok with it, voting by purchasing. Everyone should also agree that its ok to vote the other way, and insist on wood. The finer points of which is better, or which is more sustainable, or which is more environmentally friendly isn't settled, so there will be no consensus without more objective data and study (that won't happen, lol). I just offer some analysis and data as conversational, on a social forum.
     
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  11. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    Ive a new Midtown with Richlite board
    although mainly a studio guitar i have started using it for the odd gig here and there just for a change
    it plays very well and feels nice too
    refretting doesnt worry me these days but if it needs doin i am sure the better luthiers will be up to speed with it before too long
     
  12. _JDZ_

    _JDZ_ Strat-Talk Member

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    I really like ebony boards.

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    Don't think I could switch to a composite :(
     
  13. JeffBlue

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    Richlite is an EXCELLENT fretboard material.
     
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    Musekatcher Strat-O-Master

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    Unless you want the correct stiffness and density of Rosewood or Ebony.
     
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    I have Richlite on my Martin acoustic don’t have any issues. Don’t have to lube up with lemon oil either
     
  16. errikwong

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    before we all get too bent out of shape...

    http://eed.520.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Richlite-Properties.pdf

    https://www.surfacematter.co.uk/upl.../Richlite-Simplified-Technical-Data-Sheet.pdf

    http://www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?matguid=e3b5a2a1a6794cddb47a91fbea57c18a&ckck=1

    http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=bca515a4ac634e8cab0cc243bb49f437

    The main thing to look out for is Flexural modulus:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexural_modulus

    http://www.matweb.com/reference/flexuralstrength.aspx

    There aren't many direct comparisons, but from what I see, 6mm of Richlite has the flexural strength of 150.5MPa compared to 1/8" of rosewood with 117MPa and ebony's 179MPa (modulus of rupture).

    1/8" is roughly 3mm, so if we were to double the amount of material to match the thickness of the Richlite, it would seem that yes, Rosewood and Ebony are both stiffer and resistant to bending vs Richlite.

    I will say this though, even with Richlite boards, that are factually less stiff vs Rosewood or Ebony; I would imagine manufacturers have done their due diligence in ensuring the materials that go into a neck are structurally sound.

    Although I can see the opposing argument that the above sounds naive and we should all just go back to wood because it is superior within this context.

    That said, maybe there is scope for us, as consumers, to demand carbon fibre reinforced necks, should the day come where we do run out of rosewood and ebony?
     
  17. Blues Trucker

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    So they use something made out of Petroleum?
     
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  18. RobZ69

    RobZ69 Strat-O-Master

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    There is no such thing as 'Tonewood'.
     
  19. vid1900

    vid1900 Senior Stratmaster

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    I've got a LP with Richlite fretboard and those cryofrozen Gibson frets.

    Probably 30 people have played it over the last few years.

    No one has ever asked if it was anything other than Ebony.

    All people remark about is how well it stays in tune, and how great the action is.

    The Cryo frets will never wear out, but if I ever nick one, it's nice to know I can pull a fret without any chipout worries.

    (and don't forget folks, Gibson only pays $3 for an Ebony fretboard - the savings is just not that big).
     
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