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Strat Talk Improv Challenges Revisited: #116 The Colonel

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  1. fezz parka

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    That's a good video...but IMO he muddied the waters. Its a good explanation...but this is what gets you playing it:

    Cropper doubles the bass line while adding the third in both C and F dyads.
     
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    As you said in your first post, the rhythm is dyads of the chords. Adding the G to the bass line got me confused as well as the open A chord.
     
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    that open bit to me is just part of bumping it along... i think of the open a and d, and the the open d and g as little hits that happen to be in key... not necessarily critical to the theme, more percussive - especially since Cropper plays them pretty muted anyway... in any case i think adding 6ths and 2nds/9ths is pretty common in soul guitar (thanks to cropper, probably!) little major pent flourishes... (fezz feel free to correct my crypto-theory... i just gave up studying bigfoot a few years ago and i still tend to make things up lol)
     
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    His explanation confuses the whole thing. There is no A chord.

    CEG
    FAC

    The I and IV in the key of C

    Then it has this in the B section

    GBD
    DF#A

    Now you have the V in the key of C...but the D major? Why does that work? These are real questions BTW. :)
     
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    Thank you for the explanation my brother.

    Maybe to make Gmaj7? Or, the D is G’s 5th. So we have two keys, C and G.
     
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    Is the essence of what I need to play for the riff the notes I've marked in red? If I'm right, one chord shape covers the whole riff, until you move it to play the F part.

    I'm still practicing, because it still sounds as if I'm practicing. ;)

    Time-is-Tight.jpg
     
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    Because they key has momentarily modulated to G?
     
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    Boom! I-V-I.
     
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    This ^^^^ :D

    Simon is Words Guru ;)
     
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    Phew! At least you know I'm paying attention. :D
     
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    Play the bass line on the A and E strings with your middle finger.

    Add the 3rd with your index finger.
    D string, 2nd fret. Don't move it.

    Move the fingering shape to the D and G strings. Play the same pattern. Bass line with middle finger on the D and A strings. Play the 3rd on the G.
     
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    Thank you for that. I can hear that is 'it'. Instant improvement. :thumb:
     
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    The goal is to play it. Worry about the theory after you "get" it. :)
     
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    You can mirror the B section that the organ plays with triads.

    1. G
    X-X-5-4-3-X

    2. G
    X-X-9-7-8-X

    3. D
    X-X-7-7-7-X

    1/////2/3/2
     
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    I do hope I understood what I need to play. I will learn the rhythm part as well later, and will try to put both together.

     
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    You got the melody. But...that's just the icing. To be Cropper ( that's the challenge) you have to bake the cake.

    And there isn't room for improv or venturing away from that stuff that has to be played in order for it to be the tune. Listen to that Shadows version. Aside from tiny fills...they play the tune.

    So in order to complete the challenge, play the rhythm. It's a signature part. Play the 1-3-5-6 arpeggios. They're a signature part. You're not playing your version of the tune. You're playing their's.:)
     
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    Thanks man. The rhythm was played on my jazzbox with flats. Appropriate "chunk" with the notes falling off quickly. The other parts were all Strat. Bridge pickup. :D
     
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    Oh boy, am I a work in progress! Apologies for the liberties taken with the chords at the start, and loads of mistakes, but here we go:



    EDIT: I understand I have yet to mirror the keyboard part. I need to learn it first.
     
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    You're close on it Si. Keep working it!
     
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