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The Adventure of the String Tree Anamoly

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by tschucha, Oct 6, 2018.

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  1. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito
    As this matter has been discussed before, I'm going to quote the best answer for this anomaly.

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  2. thomquietwolf

    thomquietwolf Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Never gave it a thought...
    Kinda like
    Where is the ignition key slot in your car/pickup/motorcycle/electric wheelchair
     
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  3. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    The last part of the quote by @Guy Named Sue pretty much nails it! I will add that "ideally" positioning/spacing/height of the trees, combined with judicious string wrapping at the tuners will mostly even out the break angle of the strings over the nut. With that said, it should be noted that the offset of the headstock face to the fingerboard/frets can vary on different guitars, even of the same model. It would be nice to assume that Fender might actually pay attention to such details, on each individual instrument, but who knows for sure.........? :rolleyes:
    Just My $.02,
    Gene
     
  4. LRS!

    LRS! Strat-O-Master

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    IMHO a strat is just fine without a string tree, as long as you wind the string low enough down to the bottom of the tuner. My EJ strat (staggered tuners) has no string tree, but pretty much any other vintage style (Kluson) type of tuner can be strung this way as can be seen below:
    American Standard
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    Eric Johnson
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  5. Here's mine. The tree isn't original but the position is. Because of the staggered heights of the Sperzels, the tree doesn't actually do much to alter the angle and I could probably get away with not having it at all. IMG_20180406_162717-01.jpeg
     
  6. tschucha

    tschucha Strat-Talker

    469
    Aug 13, 2014
    Oregon
    Exactly. You'd think that Fender would have speced it out somewhere down the line. And the idea that the only 3 strats that Jimi seemed to hold onto for more than a month or two all have that anamoly is just strange.
     
  7. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito
    As I remember when the Ej series first was introduced Eric explained the design. He went into discussing how he asked Fender to shave off a couple of mm from the front of the headstock in order to help the break angle of the string so there would be no need of string tree.

    The staggered tuners are basically just a plus not the actual trick.
    [​IMG]
     
  8. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    If I recall correctly, I believe they actually start with a thicker chunk of maple for the EJ necks. That way they can shave off that little bit extra without making the headstock too thin. That and being quarter sawn are likely why those necks are so pricey! I could be mistaken, but I read it on the innernest, so it must be true? :p
    Just My $.02 & Probably Worth A Whole Lot Less!
    Gene
     
  9. BobbyS

    BobbyS Strat-O-Master

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    Dec 11, 2011
    Los Lunas, NM
    I dunno, I take em all off
     
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  10. enchantpth44

    enchantpth44 Strat-Talker

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    The radius of the fretboard dictates where the string tree goes and whether theres two or not
     
  11. I'm not so sure. I think it's pretty arbitrary. Both my Squier VM and my MIM have 9½" radii, and here they are. They differ not only in number but also in position. IMG_20180329_172524-01.jpeg IMG_20180406_162717-01.jpeg
     
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  12. enchantpth44

    enchantpth44 Strat-Talker

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    12" radius has two trees usually, and nut width factors too
     
  13. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    The only thing that would change the position of the string tree would be height of the nut above the face of the headstock, as the distance between the nut and B/E tuners remains the same regardless of radius.

    @The Ballzz had it about right.

    Otherwise the position of the tree is completely arbitrary.
     
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  14. esseff

    esseff Strat-Talker

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    Australia
    I've never liked string trees. Seems like an agricultural solution to bad design. That is why I luv my Strat Plus.

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  15. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito
    Dictates? According to whom? Because Fender themselves can't even agree on one exact position on all models. And I fail to see how the radius has anything to do with this issue and would dictate the position.

    What you do see on the other hand is that the modern style necks always have modern roller string tree and those have spacers built in unlike the vintage kind where the spacer is removable. That spacer determines how far back the string tree can be installed. If they didn't have spacers then you could go much further back.
     
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  16. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Bad design?

    OK. I mean it's not as if the Strat is the best & most popular guitar design ever, is it? o_O
     
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  17. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    There are times when an old tractor is superior to a Lamborghini.
     
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  18. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito
    Not if that tractor was built by Lamborghini :D That's what the company only built in early days after WW II. With the money he earned Ferruccio Lamborghini bought a Ferrari which left him unsatisfied so he started building his own line of sportcars. :cool:
     
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  19. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Apr 21, 2010
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    Compared to the craftsmanship, exotic woods, carved top etc. etc of a Les Paul, some would argue that a Strat or a Tele is an "agricultural solution" to the problem of making a solid electric guitar. People did say that in the 1950s, they laughed at Fender's crude production line made guitars.

    But we now know that that was a very silly way to look at a rare example of design genius.
     
  20. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 21, 2010
    Sheffield, UK
    Joke killed very effectively. :) Well done that man.
     
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