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Virtual Instruments are both a Blessing and a Curse!

Discussion in 'Home Recording Studio' started by AxemanVR, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. AxemanVR

    AxemanVR I appreciate, therefore I am... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 8, 2014
    Minnesota USA
    Not trying to scare anyone away from doing this, but I’ve been struggling to get some VST plugins to work the last few days...

    Long story short: What should have been a straightforward process has been a pain in my arse - and I’ve been working with DAWs since the 90s.

    I had been using an old synthesizer module (Boss Dr. Synth) but wasn’t totally satisfied with the piano’s overall sound quality - especially since I was basically using the analog line out, which obviously degrades the sound - so I started looking for something I could record directly into my DAW (Reaper).

    After searching around to see what was available on the web I found something that looked promising, but it didn’t seem compatible with my MacBook, so I tried something else and a found one that would at least load.

    But, while I managed to get it on my computer, I couldn’t get Reaper to recognize it.

    Checked and double checked all the settings and rebooted a couple times. Then suddenly there it was! No rhyme or reason.

    Great, right?

    Well I couldn’t get my MIDI keyboard to trigger the virtual piano. More monkeying around like before and finally got the damn keyboard to connect but couldn’t get it to playback sound... grrrrr!

    I finally got it to playback, but then there were a bunch of glitchy, jittery breaking up to the notes.

    Tired and frustrated I went to bed

    After work I came home, fired it up and, guess what? Now the damn thing works perfect!

    The overall sound “quality” is much improved so life is good, right?

    Well, here’s the problem: After all that messing around, I’m not entirely sure if I’m totally digging how the actual pianos sound...

    (pulling hair out)

    Moral: Be prepared to devote a significant portion of precious time in your all too short life if you choose to work with something as mindless as artificial intelligence...


     
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  2. fezz parka

    fezz parka Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Get Logic and NI stuff. There's tons of wonderful virtual libraries out there.
     
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  3. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    This mirrors my efforts to use virtual instruments. :D
     
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  4. roger@pennyflic

    roger@pennyflic Senior Stratmaster

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    Jul 4, 2013
    melbourne
    Artificial Intelligence ?
    It's a long, long way from that.:(
     
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  5. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    There are posters who I am fine with using the Ignore button, on exceedingly rare occasions, I long for an "Off The Island" button.


    Totally on the wrong thread with this. Sorry.

    (perhaps explains my difficulties with v instruments.)
     
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  6. roger@pennyflic

    roger@pennyflic Senior Stratmaster

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    Jul 4, 2013
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    I'm scratching my head as to how my post could of offended anybody :oops:
     
  7. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    It's very simple: I posted on the wrong thread.
     
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  8. CigBurn

    CigBurn Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Jun 22, 2014
    Same Shed Different Day
    I can only speak from my own experience, but these three are all basically drop into the proper folder and they work. And they are free. I've had zero trouble getting any of them to work and all sound pretty well done.


    4front Piano is a simple but well regarded VSTI that drops into reaper painlessly. It has a nice overall tone to it, but zero tweaking ability from within the VST.

    http://www.yohng.com/software/piano.html

    Another easy to use one is "The Grand". It has a few more features and sounds fine.

    http://www.dskmusic.com/dsk-the-grand/

    Along the same vein as the grand is "Akoustik Keys"

    http://www.dskmusic.com/dsk-akoustik-keyz/
     
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  9. roger@pennyflic

    roger@pennyflic Senior Stratmaster

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    Jul 4, 2013
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    Then, damn these cursed computers and phones:):p:D
     
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  10. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 21, 2010
    Sheffield, UK
    I've never had a problem with VSTs with Reaper and Windoze.

    I'm looking for a decent Hammond VST.
     
  11. CigBurn

    CigBurn Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Jun 22, 2014
    Same Shed Different Day
    Don't know if this helps or not, its the one I use most often. There are others of course but most aren't very 'refined' I guess.

    http://www.dskmusic.com/dsk-b3x/
     
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  12. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 21, 2010
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    Thanks, I'll give it a whirl. :thumb:
     
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  13. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    You find your current organ deficient?
     
  14. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 21, 2010
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    Still using the one I borrowed from you, it's a bit knackered, what had you been doing with it?
     
  15. AxemanVR

    AxemanVR I appreciate, therefore I am... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 8, 2014
    Minnesota USA

    I believe there is something to this...

    I started using Macs way back in the 80’s and back then they had (the key word here is “had”) the easiest most intuitive graphic user interface (GUI) of their time.

    I eventually moved to a Windows based platform due to work requirements and only recently went back to Mac.

    I was appalled (yes, I said “appalled”) at how clunky the Mac GUI has become. Gone was the simplicity, replaced by a counterintuitive design that I literally had to relearn from scratch.

    Also, it used to be a well known fact that an Apple was the better choice for music and artsy stuff and Windows was just for business. Now days the Mac stuff seems to just be rehashed Windows versions.

    Even Apple’s own programs are obnoxiously bad. Case in point: “iTunes”. What a pos that thing is. It’s now painfully obvious that Apple is far more concerned with controlling their customers than serving their customer’s needs.

    To make matters even worse...

    Much like my irritating iPhone, I’m getting sick of the non-stop series of Apple updates, requests to get on iMessage and prodding to sign up to the iCloud (enough with the freaking iCloud already Apple! I don’t want it!!!). I currently leave my WiFi off unless I absolutely need it.

    Bottom line (and this is coming from a previous hardcore Apple fan): Unless you’re forced to, avoid using the Mac at all costs!

    In other words (and I can’t believe I’m actually saying this): Even though Microsoft probably isn’t much better, I still highly recommend getting a Windows based computer for just about every conceivable reason to get a computer.

    Now, if you will excuse me, I’m going into my bedroom to cry...


     
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  16. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 21, 2010
    Sheffield, UK
    In the days of the Motorola processors it was a no brainer, but Macs ain't what they used to be, no matter what Apple claim.
     
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  17. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    It was fine when I shipped it.
     
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  18. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 21, 2010
    Sheffield, UK
    Time to contact Prey Pal.
     
  19. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    It were customs what did it.
     
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  20. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
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    May 21, 2010
    Sheffield, UK
    Or United Airlines...