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volume pedal vs volume knob for swells

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  1. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    what are the thises and thats?
     
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    I like the knob on the guitar done like the old lap steelers. Tone knob swells too.
     
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    Steve Morse. That is all.

    Not just volume...
     
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  4. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    that really makes 1.0 cap come to life!

    you get that breathy reedy bowed vibe but still keep a traditional guitar attack... learning changing growing all the time...
     
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    Believer7713 Senior Stratmaster Silver Member

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    For swells I like the pedal. For making adjustments to control the breakup I like to set the ķnob. I like to st the volume ķnob for the gain breakup then do swells with the pedal without having to think about it.
     
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  6. fezz parka

    fezz parka The Return of the Red Helmet Strat-Talk Supporter

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    And with the fezz/Greene/Gibson wiring, dial back the volume a bit ( around 5-7 on a Strat knob) and swell with the tone knob. It'll act as both a volume and tone swell. ;)

    You can hear it the opening here:

    http://www.broadjam.com/songs/chrisneel/red-letter-blues
     
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    One you operate with you hand and the other you operate with your foot.

    You can do volume swells with your hand and the volume knob just fine as long as it slow bluesy bendy stuff. Jeff Beck seems to manage without one. But good luck with that. We Strat and Tele guys take the pinky volume knob trick for granted but try doing in to a 335 and see how far you get.

    With a pedal your hands are free to play what ever you want to and control the volume with your foot. You can get the Larry Carlton on Steely Dan records sound.

    Well besides using a volume pedal to play the intro to Don’t Stop Believing I use mine to mute the signal during guitar changes. I also use my volume knob to clean up the guitar while using OD/Didtortion/Fuzz to get the right amount of grit in my tone and use the volume pedal to set the actual volume of the guitar.

    I also place the volume pedal after all the dirt pedals but before the echos, modulation and Reverb. This why I can let the echo trail off after I stop the actual guitar sound. It not a big deal but it’s a cool trick to use now and again.

    Oh get a decent one. They all don’t sound the same . You want one compatible with the type guitar you play. 250 ohm or 500 ohm for single or humbugger. I just made a thread about my new Dunlop Mini X a few weeks ago.
     
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  8. montemerrick

    montemerrick spiritual birthday, April 1 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    nice!
     
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    My jazzbox’s volume swells dramatically around 7.
     
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    Note: I do own a volume pedal, it has traveled with me since 1982. If performing loud music, I would be using it along with doing stuff with the volume knob. Volume pedals rock.
     
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    circles Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Currently I use the knob but hope to get a volume pedal one day.
     
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    I have done that wiring on my Les Pauls, and my Tele Custom. I love the way the vol/tone knobs are so much more interactive.
     
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    Depends on where the volume pedal is in the chain. I put my volume pedal after the OD’s and boosts and when the OD’s are in play the volume pedal decreases volume but doesn’t change the tone/ intensity of the drive. However, in the same setup, the volume knob turned down will reduce the amount of overdrive in the signal. I use both and employ either depending on the impact on tone/volume I desire.
     
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    My Epi Jr does that. I bought stuff to rewire to make it stop. I figured it was a problem, now you tell me it's a feature??? :D
     
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    Depends on if it's something you can use.

    Strats have middle pickups. I never use the middle by itself, and I avoid the quack positions unless someone asks for them.
     
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    I've always used the knob to do swells, but it's not always convenient or easy. Someday, I'll pop for a pedal, but it would be way down my list, it's just not a device (swells that is) I use often.
     
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    Are you a singer? I have a Morley with a minimum setting - tip the pedal back to reduce volume during vocals, then forwards for solos. Much easier than finding the knob on the guitar. Obviously some of you folks are far more experienced than me, and any Jeff Becks out there could find the volume knob and turn it from 3 1/4 to 5 7/8 faster than I can kick my pedal to the floor.

    As for a pedal chain, I have mine as the final item before the amp.

    I would actually prefer one of the old chrome ones, maybe I'll get one and stick a bit of wood on it to act as a "minimum volume" setting.
     
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    would you elaborate? i'm not familiar.

    eta: i prefer the knob. i don't seem to get the feel i'm looking for with a pedal...the degree of control and ability to create the build or disappearing act the way i want it.
     
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    Knob placement on a Les Paul make it fairly difficult for me to pick and use my little finger to do swells...It's easier to hammer the note then swell. On second generation body style Flying Vs it's much easier to pick and swell.
     
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    If your drive is dependent on the level of input, then when you swell in you'll swell from clean to dirty and it won't be a smooth increase in volume.

    I prefer a volume pot somewhere in the chain after drive, or at least after a buffer. I don't want the position of the volume pedal to determine whether my tone is clean or dirty, a la Guthrie Govan. But he's GG.
     
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