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Discussion in 'The Effect effect' started by Lonn, Dec 12, 2017.

  1. Boppy

    Boppy Strat-Talker

    May 29, 2011
    I've been using an RV-600 live for around six years now--no problems, and it doesn't have the daisy-chain issues (or weight) of the Line6 Verbzilla it's copied from.

    Katana is definitely a great bedroom-amp though, if that was your point...
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2017
  2. Stratoskater

    Stratoskater Most Honored Senior Member

    Feb 8, 2011
    Running with Scissors
    Oh you mean like a Joyo :D
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  3. jaybones

    jaybones Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

  4. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    There was a company back in the 1980s. Forget the name. Anyway, it was apparently founded by this German sound engineer, who was also a great designer of pro audio equipment. The first product was some kind of rack-mount studio 'Exciter', and it was apparently better than the original made by Aphex. Due to some weird administrative error, the early models shipped with a photocopied manual that had some instances of the word 'Aphex' remaining. I can only imagine their 'knock off' Tipex wasn't much better than their audio product.

    On a totally unrelated matter, try Googling 'Behringer infringement'.
  5. fezz parka

    fezz parka Do you Reach? Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
    Right behind you...
    Sued by Aphex, Peavey. Mackie. Roland...

    Freinds don't let friends buy Behringer. :)
  6. CigBurn

    CigBurn Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 22, 2014
    Same Shed Different Day
    That's exactly how I tell my kids they were made! :D
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  7. Spiffums

    Spiffums Strat-Talker

    Nov 2, 2015
    It's not unskilled if you've read every issue of JP magazine!!!! :D
  8. fezz parka

    fezz parka Do you Reach? Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 21, 2011
    Right behind you...
    In China, they make counterfeit Jeeps. Look like Jeeps, even say Jeep on them . They're not Jeeps.

    And it was an analogy, not a commentary on Jeeps or after market parts or whatever.per se.

    Reverse engineered stuff, IMO, is theft. Uli Behringer is a thief. His products are worthless to me. :)
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  9. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    Stealing the design of a product at reverse-engineering level is theft!

    The R&D the original manufacturer put into creating that design can be a massive cost, to the extent that I've seen companies go bust because they underestimated the complexity of the product they were attempting to develop. If another company comes along and just rips-off every single detail without paying for the R&D, they can undercut the original manufacturer. Some people will buy the cloned product instead of the original, thereby trashing the original manufacturer's revenue assumptions and making it harder for them to invest in future product innovation.

    But reverse-engineered products will hurt you in more direct ways.

    Firstly, the build quality is often very poor. I can tell you as fact, the failure rate of products sold by reverse-engineering manufacturers is high. Sometimes ridiculously high.*

    This means you, the end user, will often attempt to return your item to where you bought it. In turn, this means the seller might actually make a loss when they could have made a profit selling a better quality product from a legitimate manufacturer. Alas, if it fails somewhere down the line, you may not be able to return it. Then, the loss is all yours.

    We all like to believe in a bargain, but when a product is cheap, well that's probably because it's cheap.

    *There is also the problem that companies who reverse-engineer have no real understanding of the product they clone, and do not have the ability – or desire – to train engineers in your territory how to solve any issues you might have.
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  10. playit

    playit Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 14, 2014
    And, added, the bypass is not the best ... I tried the signal loss with an fx looper and with two of the behringer clones I could hear the difference .. a loss in directness and treble ..
    If you have six or eight between guitar and amp it will sound NOT better in bypass.
    And with one or two engaged they will still get the poor signal.
  11. altar

    altar Former Member

    Oct 4, 2016
    I got one of their overdrive pedals brand new for $9.99 with free shipping from Musician's Friend, it's not a bad sounding pedal. Not nearly as rugged feeling as a Boss though since it's plastic and not metal.
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  12. Staypuft1652

    Staypuft1652 Strat-Talk Member

    Oct 23, 2017
    Bismarck, ND
    We live in great times. You can now get discontinued or expensive (or more money than you can scrounge up) pedals relatively cheap, somewhere. Just do your due diligence. Gives more people access to effects they normally may not be able to. I believe it is not quite rare for someone to buy a "clone" and then like what they hear then shell out for the original. I've heard there's only so many circuits/ways to do things. Whats worse, a direct clone, made cheaply and sold cheaply, or a slightly modified classic circuit, made with better components, but (in alot of cases) still by machine, with board mounted jacks/pots/switches but at an exorbitant price?