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What would you not do for 1 million dollars?

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by Guy Named Sue, May 16, 2018.

  1. RaySachs

    RaySachs Strat-O-Master Silver Member

    Jun 25, 2017
    Philly area
    A late entry here.

    Money absolutely can't buy happiness. But it can buy time. And time, if you use it well, can bring happiness. I heard an interview with Larry David once, AFTER he made his zillions of dollars. He's a highly neurotic guy. And he said that being wealthy basically just eliminated one problem, one source of unhappiness. Not having enough money. That's the only one it solves. He got rich. He had, for the sake of discussion, 27 really debilitating problems before he got rich. Afterwards, he had 26.

    I'm pretty well off. By American standards, pretty well off, by global standards, ridiculously well off. Not because of my amazing industriousness or genius, but some really fortunate timing and good luck. And I didn't blow it - I give myself credit for that. A lot of people would have blown it and I didn't - that's all I can take credit for. I retired pretty early. I'm a pretty happy guy. We don't have a lot of discretionary cash these days and won't until Social Security and Medicare kick in (assuming they're still there in 6-8 years as my wife and I hit 65). But we live well. Sort of modestly but well. I figure if things are tight in your late 50's and early 60s because health care is wicked expensive but you were able to quit your jobs and cope with it, nobody wants to hear about how expensive your health care is!!! We live in a modest condo, we both drive Honda Fits, travel is mostly limited to going to see our daughters, we don't buy expensive cloths, etc. We eat well, I have three pretty nice guitars. Life is good. And I'm a pretty happy guy. But I was when I was working every day too. And when I was young and mostly broke. I think it's just how you're wired, which you don't have much or any control over.

    My brother is flat out LOADED. He recently bought a Tesla and not one of the new "cheap" ones and gave his daughter a pretty new Prius so clear out room for the Tesla. He has three homes, one of them on wheels. He's NOT a happy guy. He wasn't when he was working his ass off to make all of his money and he hasn't been since he retired in his 40s with a big partnership interest in a company that continues to pay him more every year than I made in my best year. In addition to a lot of investment income. I wouldn't trade places with him for anything. At 71, he seems to have developed coping mechanisms for his anxiety and depression and I'd say he's in as good a shape as I've ever know him to be. But I still wouldn't want what he's got.

    He and I are close. We're wired incredibly differently. I got my Dad's pretty relaxed happy manner. He got my Mom's anxious worried manner. Accidents of birth. For whatever reasons, we both did well, but he did AMAZINGLY well. I've been pretty happy throughout my adult life. He's been pretty miserable throughout most of his. Money sure didn't buy him happiness. It bought me time and I'm happy to take advantage of that and enjoy my remaining time, but I was fine when I had less time too.

    As for what I'd do for a million dollars? Most things that I wouldn't do for free I also wouldn't do for a million dollars. I guess I'd eat something weird that I wouldn't ordinarily as long as I knew it wouldn't hurt me. I live pretty close to the state of Delaware already - I could probably be convinced to move there, but it might take more than a million because I love where I live at the moment and I can still buy guitars and appliances tax free there anyway... I might go back to work a couple days a week for a few more years if it was doing something I liked. I wouldn't give up playing music or doing any of the myriad other things I love doing... I sure wouldn't give up any of the people who matter in my life... If you wanna give me a million dollars, I'll take it, but I'm not gonna do much for it I wouldn't do anyway. So you should probably just keep it... Thanks for offering though!

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  2. BallisticSquid

    BallisticSquid Senior Stratmaster

    Oct 12, 2016
    Something I've learned is that money can help you do the things that make you happy...but it can't create happiness. Feeling lonely, depressed, unsatisfied, etc. won't be fixed by more'll still be lonely, depressed, and unsatisfied but happen to have a sizeable bank account also.
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  3. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito
    I say happiness is a stupid goal, if you're aiming to achieve happiness in life you're bound to be unhappy most of the time. And it's a goal where as soon as we reach it we keep raising the bar, it's never ending and exhausting. Now on the other hand joy can be had every day, you should do the things that give you joy and which you enjoy doing and accept that you won't be happy all of the time but you sure could enjoy life most of the time.

    Ray you sound like you're in a good place and enjoy life, cheers to you!

  4. BallisticSquid

    BallisticSquid Senior Stratmaster

    Oct 12, 2016
    At first I was really scratching my head on this one, but then you started talking about joy.

    You don't equate joy with happiness?
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  5. carver

    carver The East Coast Strangler Strat-Talk Supporter

  6. circles

    circles Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Even for one million dollars, I would not fight a live, healthy, hungry adult alligator in the ring 'mano-a-alligator'.
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  7. RaySachs

    RaySachs Strat-O-Master Silver Member

    Jun 25, 2017
    Philly area
    Happiness, Joy, happy-happy joy-joy - I think this is more of a semantic distinction than a real one.

    I wouldn't say happiness was ever a goal - I've never been all that goal oriented. I've always felt strongly that I should try to do whatever I was doing well, that I should be very conscientious toward anyone I was helping out or doing work for or whatever. But I never had a goal to make any amount of money, to achieve any particular professional status, etc. In fact I turned down a couple of promotions because I loved what I was doing and didn't think I'd like or be all that good at what I was being offered. I always had a pretty good idea of what I thought was important and what I thought was just society's BS expectations (I think taking psychedelics as a kid helped me see through the BS more quickly than I might have). I've tried to live well and be a good person and have succeeded far less than 100% of the time, but have done pretty well by those standards. I think happiness is more of a bi-product than a goal. Hell, to make it a goal you'd have to be able to define it first and I don't think I could do that. It's like the Supreme Court once said of obscenity, "I can't define it but I know it when I see it". I guess I'm like that with happiness. I just consider myself extremely lucky. And the difference between my brother and I has always been incredibly instructive to me - we both chose to have the same parents but I got one set of genes and he got another and our lives have turned out very differently as a result. Just luck of the draw and I got lucky... And I'm eternally grateful for all of my good fortune.


  8. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito
    Not the way I look at it. Happiness would to me and some other people mean to be trouble free, hakuna matata. There are many aspects to your life and my life, it's stupid to chase happiness. What's happiness to you?

    To me it's like putting the hard work and the hours and energy to do something you don't like right now so that you can become happy in a few months or a year from now. Now I don't see anything wrong with delayed gratification, and sacrificing today so that tomorrow will be better. Nothing wrong with that, but to have happiness as the ultimate goal will mean you will be unhappy most of the time.

    We so often get blinded by our aspirations that we forget about the little stuff in life, being respectful and honest and kind to each other, all those things that bring instant joy to others and your own life. It's more important to me that I actually enjoy what I do and accept that everything don't have to be perfect but I can still get some joy out of it.

    Maybe someday I will own a vintage guitar down the line, but that doesn't mean I should be unhappy right now with what I have just because I don't own a vintage guitar, I can still enjoy what I have.

    I see Joy as something instant, it's here and now. Either you enjoy the moment,the task in hand or whatever it is right now or you don't and somewhere down the line you'll deal with the regrets. While happiness is an aspiration, it's the goal you have when you're sacrificing your comfort right now so that you somewhere down the line can achieve. The problem is most people when they actually get there, they raise bar and instead of enjoying the moment get blinded by their aspiration.
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  9. Chrissomebody

    Chrissomebody Strat-Talker

    Jun 20, 2017
    North Carolina

    yeah, but you obviously considered it. :D

  10. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito

  11. BallisticSquid

    BallisticSquid Senior Stratmaster

    Oct 12, 2016
    OK, I understand and agree. I've never really thought of joy and happiness as two separate things, but I see where you are coming from.

    Happiness is like wealth and money in that enough never seems to be enough.

    There's a bit of "it's a journey, not a destination" in what you are saying too, which I think is important.
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  12. anderz

    anderz Senior Stratmaster

    May 4, 2014
    What I would not do?

    Going against my visions and personal goals at any time or at anything else.

    I am in the position to make any income I desire and it is just a decision to go decide and do it.

    Guitar wise I would still think of the reasons why prior to any purchase and so forth with anything else.

    I would not put down payment on a house or apartment if I didn't like it.

    I would not be careless and spend like crazy. Have done for lot less so not so important to ever do again.

    Still I am all for personal growth. By natural laws you grow or disintegrate.

    Earning money is simple once you know how even when it's 6 figures. However you will properly run into a problem stopping you. It is called your paradigm! Yes the multiple habits stored in you is telling you why you have to stay where you are and it feels great! No hunting for the 6 and 7 figures can be achieved without the knowing of how to change that paradigm formed by your life as you know it.

    Money is not evil, bad or anything like it. It is not meant to make us happy! It is meant to make us comfortable. That is what a lot people get wrong.

    Thereby we can relax and achieve our visions and goals.

    As for happiness knowing how to be creative and not to be competitive is where it's at. Knowing yourself and what can do.

    I can play guitar and it makes me happy. I am using my creative skills

    I can setup multiple sources of income and enjoy being creative.

    The breakdown of 1 million in any currency is 2740 by 365 days. If your sales for average 300 pr sale you don't need a lot to reach 2740 pr day.
    Last edited: May 17, 2018
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  13. trapdoor2

    trapdoor2 Strat-O-Master

    Oct 25, 2017
    Nawth Alabama

    Absurd things aside (a giraffe would take around 6 yrs to consume, so you're talking only $170K/yr wages and 6 yrs in New York City. Naked ain't a problem. Being naked outside in the freezing cold...nope).

    As long as it isn't life threatening (poisonous, sudden stop at the bottom/end, loss of fluids and/or breathable air, frostbite or conversely, 3rd degree burns or charring) or doesn't involve long periods of time away from family and friends, I could probably do it. I'm an old, fat guy...some things I cannot physically do anymore. Lactose intolerant, fried clams give me problems, etc. (no large quantities of fried clam ice cream for me).

    My brother sleeps with mom every night. She's in a box in his bedroom. Well, some of her. You don't get everything back from the crematorium. Who wants 100lbs of ashes? :confused:

    I've done the tower climb (I was 20). All I got was some free beer...not even good beer at that. I'm mildly claustrophobic. I couldn't stand to be closed up in a casket, for instance, unless I was absolutely sure I could get back out on my own (I grew up with 3 brothers...I don't trust anyone except Miz Diane). :D

    Spiders might do it. I don't like spiders, even the friendly, non-poisonous, trained chef, singing-cartoon kind.

  14. nutball73

    nutball73 Strat-O-Master

    Nov 12, 2013
    Southern UK
    I would! (sleep with YOUR mum, I mean)

    Old joke, but had to be done...

  15. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    I didn't really think it through, did I? :oops:

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  16. Guy Named Sue

    Guy Named Sue Beer me up Scotty Strat-Talk Supporter

    Feb 11, 2015
    Terra Incognito
    Sure blame it someone else!:sneaky: that should be made into a reality show, how fast can you eat a giraffe naked in NYC. Grand prize of one million dollars.
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  17. Mansonienne

    Mansonienne Stratocrastinator Extraordinaire Strat-Talk Supporter

    Dec 2, 2015
    Paris suburbs, France
    oh the list is so very, very long....

  18. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    Logically, it's almost infinite.

    Years ago, I remember someone phoning up my wife in our office, saying: "What does your telephone answering service cost?" She said: "That's not a service we offer."

    He responded: "It doesn't say that in your advertising!"
    She replied: "Well, we tend to concentrate on the services we actually offer, rather than all the ones we don't."

    After he hung up, we started to construct an imaginary directory of services we didn't offer. We were too busy for this to exist anywhere but in our heads, but we reckoned it could run to several thousand pages. After all, we had no expertise in:
    • Aardavark – specialist veterinary treatment, or
    • X-Ray equipment – servicing and certification
    And most things in between.

    Imagine all those aircraft we couldn't build, tower blocks we could never design (I had a go once, it wasn't great :cool:), undersea exploration missions we could never get started, tractor tires we didn't stock replacements for, catering services, drain clearing, bridal gowns, banking services...

  19. Textele

    Textele Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Oct 10, 2009
    And custom Kilt tailoring? :p

  20. West Coast Idea

    West Coast Idea Strat-O-Master

    Mar 10, 2017
    Out on the Range
    Well, since politics are off the table . . .

    Commit myself to a band that plays "Pride and Joy" in dive bars every weekend for the rest of my natural life.