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Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Acme8, Dec 2, 2018.

  1. Textele

    Textele Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Oct 10, 2009
    Texas
    It is not the same guitar in the advertisement link you posted.

    It is, for sure, not a new 2018 Player Stratocaster, due to the 6 screw bridge alone.

    They shipped you the wrong guitar if that is indeed what you ordered.
     
  2. Acme8

    Acme8 Strat-Talk Member

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    Ah yes,my error. I dug out the invoice and it says "Standard Strat"...
     
  3. Acme8

    Acme8 Strat-Talk Member

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    But still those differing screws say a lot about the QC.. would it be a manufacturing flaw that you can't intonate the instrument without mechanical alterations?
     
  4. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    If you look closely, you'll see that the bridge mounting screws under the high E & B string are one kind, under the G, D & A are another kind and under the low E is altogether different again! This is all sorts of wrong, in all sorts of ways and potentially for all sorts of reasons. I'm going to bet this is not a "factory QC" issue, but rather a vendor and/or returned guitar issue. This guitar has likely been messed with in multiple ways and possibly used for parts for another guitar.

    Purchased as new, I would call the vendor to task and demand they make it correct/right. If it were me, I'd likely ask for an exchange or refund. Who knows what sins have been committed here?

    And no offense intended to you @Acme8 , but the questions you're asking and the fact that you didn't notice what we've pointed out, suggest that you may not have enough experience and knowledge concerning Stratocasters to make a good assessment as to whether or not they make proper repairs. If you choose to keep it, keep us informed so we can lead you through making sure it is properly taken care of.

    Again, this has been messed with! Either parts were removed for some reason and then replaced, or the bridge has always had issues and someone made ill-informed and ill-advised attempts to rectify it!

    Just My Honest Opinions,
    Gene
     
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  5. Miotch

    Miotch Senior Stratmaster

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    ok
    As far as QC goes, I refuse to believe (without seeing) that after 64 years, Fender can’t put a nut and tremolo in the right place.
     
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  6. Acme8

    Acme8 Strat-Talk Member

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    No offense taken at all! I'm a total noob when it comes to adjusting/fiddling with the technical side of guitars (but something I would very much like to learn!) :)
     
  7. Acme8

    Acme8 Strat-Talk Member

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    I contacted Thomann asking about the warranty. They do promise a 3-year "Thomann warranty", let's see what it's good for...
     
  8. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    Well first off, a welcome is in order, as I see you're fairly new here. And then I must say that the posts quoted above show a great attitude that should do you well around here and in life! :cool: Did you purchase in person or was the guitar shipped to you? The answer to that question will help guide your next step. First off I would contact them, letting them know that the bridge is improperly mounted with questionable hardware. Those screws being correct is pretty important for proper bridge operation and intonation, in both decked and floated tremolo scenarios.

    Being a "noob" I would be a little apprehensive about letting/having them try "who knows what" to correct/fix this issue. I'd really press for a replacement.

    Just Sayin'
    Gene
     
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  9. Acme8

    Acme8 Strat-Talk Member

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    It was shipped to me, yes.
     
  10. Rufustelestrat

    Rufustelestrat Senior Stratmaster

    First set up is not a warranty problem. Set up is an ownership problem. The low e string is always the one that causes the most issues. I have 5k strats and $5 strats and they both have had issues with the lower e string depending on how decked I use the trem, and what gauge strings I use. Perhaps it is patently unclear, but many of us have found at one time or another, the tension spring on the low e string is too thick when compressed to allow you to intonate the string properly.
    The suggestion of cutting replacing or removing that spring is most accurate. I wish you much luck with this problem. Welcome to strat talk.
     
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  11. ProSonicLive

    ProSonicLive Senior Stratmaster

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    Any way you go, you really want to be sure the claw screws are equal as you can get them. They don't have to be perfect, but as close as your eye can see. You do not want unequal pressure on the claw like it appears in the picture.
     
  12. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 26, 2014
    LAS VEGAS , NV
    I totally agree with you @Rufustelestrat ! And while you are of course correct, the fact that the mounting screws are different from each other portend issues, either underlying that was attempted to be rectified and/or possibly different diameters that might or might not cause issues! These Fender tremolos, as you well know, can be very finicky about tiny details and a "noob" would do well to not be starting off with a few marks against him!

    Just My $.02,
    Gene
     
  13. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    May 21, 2010
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    The Classic Player 50s has a 2 point modern bridge.
     
  14. Acme8

    Acme8 Strat-Talk Member

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    I sent Thomann pics of the bridge, and told that the problem is with the intonation of the low-E, and the mitch-matched screws. I just called them back because there was no answer, and (a very nice lady) told me that their "specialists" had written an answer that everything's ok with the bridge screws because it's "a vintage style bridge"?! What?

    And about intonation problems they had added that maybe the strings were old... o_O

    Well, I clarified the issue, that the strings were brand new etc., and even she admitted, looking at the picture of the screws as we were talking on the phone, that "that doesn't look right". And now she's getting back to the "specialists". OMG. :eek:
     
  15. Acme8

    Acme8 Strat-Talk Member

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    Eh, I didn't understand this? (English is not my first language).
     
  16. Chasy

    Chasy Strat-Talker Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Wow, that's messed up and might not even be fixable depending on those screws.. If you end up eating it I would buy two things. A set of Calaham bridge screws and a Fender true vintage trem claw. 20.00 and should fix it. I would want to examine the bridge plate though to make sure it is not all messed up. A new bridge is another 30.00. Those mexican trem claws are imo, garbage. They are useable but during setup they tend to settle. As in the plate gets hung up because of the fully threaded screws and the not so flat bottom of the screw heads. Everyone here has seen a lot of strats and never seen one like that before. Good luck exchanging it. Have them drop ship you a new one from Fender. That's always a good day.
     
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  17. Acme8

    Acme8 Strat-Talk Member

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    Yeah, and it was at least twice as "offset" when I got the guitar. I just always thought that it is supposed to be like that!

    I might even ask just a monetary refund and go for a different brand if this is really Fender-related and not just a retaler's scam.
     
  18. Chasy

    Chasy Strat-Talker Strat-Talk Supporter

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    As far as setup goes. It is a bit of a feel thing. The video referenced above is good and all I think that can be added is those Mexican springs when new are crazy strong and weaken with time so there is no initial trem claw position that works for everyone. I was a noob not long ago and the first one drove me a little nuts at first but all you do is set the claw straight, tune it up, check the height of the bridge off the deck, move the trem claw so that the bridge height is correct. Dont push it more than 1/2 step or so if you are tightening. Retune it if you are that far off and try again. You can get a feel for the trem claw in relation to string tension. Once it is ball parked then it is easy. A very fine turn on the trem claw screws, like a nudge will move the bridge noticeably. So say you want 1/8" and you are measuring 3/16, tighten the trem claw 1/8 turn and retune. Measure how much it moved. It is not linear but if it only moved 1/64th try another 1/8th turn. You can get it perfect with patience.
     
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  19. Rufustelestrat

    Rufustelestrat Senior Stratmaster

    You can try all you like it is not a warranty issue. Unless you can prove they did send it with the mismatched screws, which I would not doubt, but hard to prove, they will tell you what we are. You need a professional set up where they may cut or remove that last spring to allow longer travel on the saddle screw for intonation. You are beginning to sound like you have buyers remorse and not players dis-satisfaction. just saying.
     
  20. carver

    carver The East Coast Strangler Strat-Talk Supporter

    here it is.
     
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