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When does an original band become a cover band?

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by MetalPedal, Jul 13, 2018.

  1. MetalPedal

    MetalPedal Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Oct 22, 2016
    Auto-Wah, Canada
    When there's no original members left? When the drummer leaves? So many bands have hung around so long that some of them don't have any original members.

    I tend to feel it's when the singer leaves. I've always thought the singer was the soul of the band and the musicians played a supporting role. But, I'm not really sure. Would the Eagles still be the Eagles without Don Henley even though they have someone who sounds exactly like him?
     
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  2. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    Pawnee, Indiana
    When all of their hits were done 10+ years ago, and they have a new singer that sang on none of those hits.

    ACDC with B. Johnson, not a cover band

    Journey with Pineda- cover band, IMO. Saw them early this year, and just got that talented cover band vibe.. No magic there, for me.

    Boston without Delp- Cover band

    Temptations, with one original member (never sang lead)- cover band.

    75 year old Felix Cavaliere as the Rascals with an entirely new backing band-not really a cover band to me.

    Extra points if the lead singer played and sang. The Smashing Pumpkins are a revolving door of members.

    Styx with Tommy Shaw but not DeYoung.. undecided: But they are better off without him.

    Skynyrd- Cover band, Even though their current lineup has been Skynyrd much longer than the original ones were, who died.
     
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  3. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Lewisville, TX
    Foreigner has zero original members at many of its shows now.
     
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  4. tery

    tery Most Honored Senior Member

    Jul 31, 2014
    Tennessee
    Yeah - the original members are dead or retired and performers use the bands name .
     
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  5. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    Pawnee, Indiana
    Yeah, I considered seeing them in Nashville a few years ago, until a quick Google search of them nipped that in the bud, real quick.
     
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  6. Chont

    Chont Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 25, 2012
    Pennsylvania
    Which Queensryche is the cover band... the band without Geoff Tate or Geoff Tate and his band of merry men?
     
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  7. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    Pawnee, Indiana
    For the majority of bands (not counting Rush/RHCP and a few others) You could replace the bass and drummer, and nobody would care or notice.

    guitarist, depending on the style can be somewhat replaceable, Singer is indispensable.
     
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  8. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    Pawnee, Indiana
    Was hoping for an Audioslave reunion sometime in the next 10-20 years. That's not happening, now :(
     
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  9. gjohnson441496

    gjohnson441496 Strat-Talker

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    I'll probably catch heck for this but Queen is a cover band now. Freddie Mercury cannot be replaced.

    The Rolling Stones are a cover band even though the original members minus one are still intact.
     
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  10. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    Pawnee, Indiana
    No argument there about Queen. When you have a frontman like that, there can't be another one.

    Never cared enough about the Stones to have an opinion on that.
     
  11. Johnny Danger

    Johnny Danger Strat-O-Master

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    If Zep had reunited without Bonham, would they be considered a cover band?
     
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  12. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    Pawnee, Indiana
    I don't think so. Although he was a great one. Ticket sales certainly wouldn't have slumped.

    Neil Peart I think may be the only drummer departure that would take a band to cover territory.
     
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  13. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Going back a long time, The Who were never the same band after Keith Moon passed away. And it wouldn't have been Cream without Ginger Baker.

    My most cynical answer to the OP is: when the band starts to sound more like the studio albums than the original line-up ever did. :sneaky:
     
  14. Chont

    Chont Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 25, 2012
    Pennsylvania
    I had and still have a tough time with a Jim Martin-less Faith No More.
     
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  15. Strat Jacket

    Strat Jacket Senior Stratmaster

    May 11, 2018
    Illinois
    REO without Richrath...not REO.
    Kansas with Livgren...not Kansas
    Ambrosia without David Pack...again, negative.
    We have a lot of 'once upon a time' bands that play a local small venue where I live (seating for 5000) and though some heavy hitters (EG the above listed) have played in the last few years, I ALWAYS Google the band to see current tour info. If key players aren't there, I pass.
     
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  16. abnormaltoy

    abnormaltoy BushBaby Strat-Talk Supporter

    Apr 28, 2013
    Tucson
    When they become a caricature of themselves.

    But instead of calling them cover bands...maybe corporate bands...since they are able to vote a member off the island...or maybe revues with the new members "playing" the old members, and any original members playing the youthful members the audience remembers. The Kiss Revue, etc.


    I was just going to post REO and Kansas (Steve Walsh as well)...
     
  17. Johnny Danger

    Johnny Danger Strat-O-Master

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    I guess this gives Dead & Co. a little more credibility. They are saying right up front that they are a cover band.
     
  18. IronSchef

    IronSchef Senior Stratmaster

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    where does that leave Greta Van Fleet??? :confused:

    (an "original" band that sounds a heck of a lot LIKE a cover band!!) :cool:

     
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  19. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    Pawnee, Indiana
    They just call that a rip-off. If they wer doing Zep songs, I guess they’d be a tribute band.
     
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  20. Grux

    Grux Strat-Talker

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    I dunno, i think its who you personally connect with that makes the band. As far as Henly goes, him calling this new reunion "the Eagles" makes me sick. You can't have that band without Glenn.