1963 Curiosity

Remco Lotena

Strat-Talk Member
Sep 16, 2017
21
Norway
I have had this guitar for a few days to establish what is is. Here are what I can confirm

The neck is a authentic 12/61 neck. Confirmed by a highly respected Luthier. This neck has a John Birch Logo and that got me to talk with his Luthier at the time John Diggings. He told me that in the late 60’s they would very often replace clay-dots with perloid and change the logo so it looked like a new guitar.

The (mangled) body is authentic Pre CBS which was painted MANY times. Digging through the layers is find the last color (before wood) to be sonic blue, this might be the factory color.

Pots/switch/knobs (appart from one) are 60’s and only neck-pickup is correct.

Tremolo is completely 60’s except for the saddles.
Ps All the bids and talk about 50/60K was just people going crazy, and then pulling their bids.
 

Remco Lotena

Strat-Talk Member
Sep 16, 2017
21
Norway
A strange ´63 partcaster popped up.. He lives 5 min away.


Obviously, Tremolo is from some strange place..
And a 9 hole pickguard is not up for authenticity
He says the neck is most likely older. The logo is not original.
And the Bridge pickup seems to be swapped once.. He mentiones that too.
Check my Reply on the bottom of the page
 

Remco Lotena

Strat-Talk Member
Sep 16, 2017
21
Norway
What did you give for it?
The neck can be somewhat restored
The neck is perfect. Just needs new Clay Dots/Logo and eventually a refret.

The dots are not widened to standar perloid size but are original 6.1 mm.

The guitar works like a charm but will eventually be fixed a little here and there.

For now the neck pickup is being analyzed by Mason electrics and kloned to make a full set.
 

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Remco Lotena

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Sep 16, 2017
21
Norway
If it is Pre CBS, it's been beat and altered so badly that it's worthless as a collectors piece.

I still doubt its authenticity.
I am a firm believer that a beaten guitar sounds better than a collectors item.

You’re free to doubt the authenticity. I’ll go off my eye, a highly respected luthier AND the guy that actually worked on this guitar in the late 60’s 👍
 

HSH Classic Vibe

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May 29, 2022
347
Republic of Squierland
This neck has a John Birch Logo...
Authenticity aside, we can be sure of one thing: An absolute nutcase once owned this Strat.

But I agree that if it is a great playing strat, it hardly matters what collectors would pay for it. There are a lot of collector-grade Teles and Strats that the Billy Gibbons and Eric Claptons of the world wouldn't want even if you gave it to them because they simply aren't special. And how many of these dudes played with guitars that had necks that came from a different guitar?
 

Remco Lotena

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Sep 16, 2017
21
Norway
Authenticity aside, we can be sure of one thing: An absolute nutcase once owned this Strat.

But I agree that if it is a great playing strat, it hardly matters what collectors would pay for it. There are a lot of collector-grade Teles and Strats that the Billy Gibbons and Eric Claptons of the world wouldn't want even if you gave it to them because they simply aren't special. And how many of these dudes played with guitars that had necks that came from a different guitar?
I have to agree with you that it has been butchered. However after a setup and some “crazy-parts” parts I could set it up and it pays great. Now rocking SD SSL-1 but in a week or Two I’ll have the neck-pup back and 2 clones to fill her up. For now I’m trying to sand it down, just leaving the bottom layer, it’s gonna be a HELL of a sanding job, and it’s going to have a heavy relic look but I love that look so it fit me well.

Result so far
 

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Remco Lotena

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Sep 16, 2017
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Norway
Is that the original color of it? Blue
I wish it was, but I found out that there was red under is some places. Also the back has big parts without the blue covering enough. So going for a full sand now.

This might also explain the base color in the tremolo cavity, witch was the standard yellow seen on sunburst.

So it been sunburst, fiesta, blue, purple, there is some yellow/orange, backside has a black layer, white and fiesta red.
 

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Dreamspace

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How much has been spent on restoring it now? I know what the guitars sold for, but kind of curious how much the repairs and finishing ended up costing. I got a quote from Tom some time ago regarding refinishing a pre-CBS strat. I was informed that he had (then) recently refinished and reliced a '64 strat, which ended up costing 14000 NOK.
 

Remco Lotena

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Sep 16, 2017
21
Norway
How much has been spent on restoring it now? I know what the guitars sold for, but kind of curious how much the repairs and finishing ended up costing. I got a quote from Tom some time ago regarding refinishing a pre-CBS strat. I was informed that he had (then) recently refinished and reliced a '64 strat, which ended up costing 14000 NOK.
Thats about what he takes for those kind of refin jobs. I thought about doing everything myself first but sometimes you got to accept your limits.

Also had to buy a bunch of stuff from CrazyParts. And having The only original pup cloned 2 times.

Going to be an awesome player partso
 

Remco Lotena

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Sep 16, 2017
21
Norway
Some shots while waiting for decal/pickups.
Pickguard is a crazy-parts guard with metal shielding plate. Neck pickup original and rest are klones of the neck pickup. Original 60’s pots, cap, switch, pickup covers and switch tip. Undecided if I’m going to use the 2 original knobs and a Reissue or 3 reissue knobs.

All relic on the guitar based of original damage and a previous strat I had.
 

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