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1965 Candy Apple Red Stratocaster

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by crashbelt, Feb 4, 2020.

  1. crashbelt

    crashbelt Strat-O-Master

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    I've been meaning for a while to post some pics of my one and only pre-CBS Strat. Finally got around to it.

    So it's a March 65 neck with 3x 14th week of 65 pots and no other date markings. Pearl dots, transition logo and a green guard. I like the green guard with CAR and r/w neck. I read somewhere that CAR was Leo's favourite finish.

    There's a lot of fine sawdust still in there and 2 bits of tape in the cavities - I've no idea what the '16' on the tape in the neck p'up cavity means. Colour code for CAR? The CAR is applied over silver which shows from the odd chip.

    I have the original ashtray and trem arm and it came with a vgc white case with black ends - I think from 63?

    It's very clean and sounds brilliant - very Hendrix, but also does lovely cleans for funky jazzy chops. The only drawback is that it doesn't get gigged a lot.

    It was bought presumably a long time ago by the bass player in a successful mid-60s British pop band. He seems to have kept it under the bed until selling it on consignment to me via a major London vintage dealer. His band had 1 UK No.1 single and 2 No.1s in the USA. The US No.1s were definitely not among the great Britpop exports of that era (hope the guy's not a Strat Talker) if anyone identifies the band from this!!

    I took a few more pics while it was apart so ask for any more and I might have them to post.

    I'm now dreading Mipstoo and Bazzjass telling me it's a refin partscaster with a Lashing guard:eek:. At least I managed to find the dowel marks and pictured one of them!
     

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    crashbelt Strat-O-Master

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    Here's a few more -- I forgot to mention the beautiful lengthways checking. I suspect the CAR and LPB 20200203_124835.jpg 20200203_124748.jpg 20200203_124510.jpg 20200203_122732.jpg 20200203_122843.jpg 20200203_111613.jpg 20200203_122804.jpg 20200203_122821.jpg 20200203_112258.jpg s of this period were prone to it because of the thickness of the finishes?
     
  3. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Senior Stratmaster

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    :D

    I'm more occupied with who the previous owner could be...
     
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    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    That's nice! I'm not a vintage expert, and the only pre-CBS Strat I've owned was a somewhat chopped about 1962, but that looks to be in lovely condition. Is it just me eyes, or are those larger than original frets? Personally, it would make it a more playable guitar, but it does affect value. (Something I've always found illogical, but it's not me that determines what these guitars sell for...)

    Whatever, that's a truly enviable guitar to me. :):):)
     
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    herndonbassist Strat-Talk Member

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    Wow, this is so hot!
     
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    knh555 Senior Stratmaster

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    I have an American Vintage '65 in Dakota red pretending to be your guitar. I'll pretend it's yours the next time I play it.

    Very, very cool. Thanks for sharing!
     
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    That’s stunning
     
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  8. Bazz Jass

    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

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    No complaints here ;)

    Except that it's yours not mine......
     
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    crashbelt Strat-O-Master

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    Thanks

    Yes I thought the frets certainly weren't the old vintage spec. But the guitar has hardly been played. I've rarely seen pictures of nitrate guards with negligible discolouration and the fretboard's in perfect condition and the totally uncorroded bridge! So a refret was unlikely to have been needed although in theory a player might have replaced unworn vintage frets for preference.

    I have read that some Strats were sold with larger frets from late 64. So I really don't know for sure if the frets are original and it would be good if people who know about this stuff could add any light.

    I can't resist a pic of a dowels hole - hard to get those!! 20200203_125233.jpg
     
  10. LHstrat

    LHstrat Strat-Talk Member

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    Very nice guitar ! Incidentally I find that most original custom colour finishes I've seen have checked vertically ( with the grain ) Not just CAR and LPB. Not so much on sunburst ones. Its a feature I look for and I assume is difficult to replicate easily.
     
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  11. Swampash

    Swampash Senior Stratmaster

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    Man, that’s pretty.
     
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  12. ChrisD

    ChrisD Senior Stratmaster

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    Did it belong to Karl Green by any chance?
     
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    Stunning Strat! Very well maintained or hasn’t been played that much...
     
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    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I know, I know!!! Ha ha.... (or should I say Her her... ;) )
     
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    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

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    He's a lefty. Might explain why it wasn't played! ;)
     
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    Wow man nice. My dad had one like that. Don’t know exactly what year his was but it was pre big head stock and car
     
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    longboard blues Strat-Talker

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    how come you can't (or won't ) say who owned it?
     
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    crashbelt Strat-O-Master

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    Yes Karl Green - well deduced. I needed to dig out the dealer's sales invoice to check my memory wasn't playing tricks.

    The guitar also had a one page write up in November 2016 Guitarist mag's 'Old Gold' feature (p144) which was what induced me to check it out and they buy it.

    Thanks for the appreciative comments and so far no cries of fake!!!
     
  19. ChrisD

    ChrisD Senior Stratmaster

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    I don't think you will get anything other than appreciation, it's a beauty:thumb:
     
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    guitartwonk Senior Stratmaster

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    Oh wow, that's a beautiful guitar. I'm drooling while I type this :D:)
     
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