57/62 fender pickups tone control options

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  1. zerorez

    zerorez New Member!

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    Hello all, longtime observer here, my first post to seek assistance.

    Looking at replacing the hot pickups on my 62 clone parts caster with a rosewood board and going back to vintage specs for best quack in the 2/4 positions.

    I can get a prewired fender pickguard with the 57/62 option and it will have the traditional independent tone control wiring to the neck and middle and no tone control for the bridge.

    If I change the tone control options to 1 master to bridge and 1 for both the neck and middle, will this effect quack in the 2/4 positions?

    Should I leave it stock, like Leo designed it?, I want to get the best vintage quack in the 2/4 positions.

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  2. Nate D

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    I personally like a tone for the bridge and the other for the neck and middle. @fezz parka has a lot of knowledge on this as do a lot of other folks on the forum.

    welcome!!
     
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    EC Strat Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    No that wouldn’t affect quack in 2 and 4

    IMO bridge needs a tone pot
     
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  4. zerorez

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    If wiring up a separate tone pot for the bridge only and the other for the neck and middle.

    What capacitor values would work best?

    Thanks
     
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    Most prewired Strat pickguards are wired with a traditional configuration with Tone-1 on the neck and Tone-2 on the middle, with no tone control on the bridge.
    The American Special, Performer, and models with the "Delta" tone circuit put Tone-1 on the neck and Tone-2 on the bridge, with no tone control on the middle. I like this configuration because I rarely/never use the middle pickup alone.
    It's just a matter of adding one jumper to a conventional circuit to connect the bridge pickup to the middle on Tone-2, or on the Delta style, one jumper can connect the middle pickup to either the bridge or neck on tone 2 or 1.
    Regardless, the configuration of the tone controls will not impact the "quack" in the 2 and 4 positions.
    Always keep in mind that Leo was not a guitarist. His original designs and what came later were based on lap steel needs. Amps of the time were not particularly bright (and Leo had hearing problems). Given this, the tone control was omitted from the bridge pickup with it intended to be used to cut through the mix.

    Another option is to rewire Tone-1 as a master tone, and rewire Tone-2 as a blender, connecting the bridge and neck pickups, allowing for a Tele tone on positions 1 and 5, or all 3 pickups in 2 and 4.
    With the blender rolled off, switching and "quack" are not impacted.
     
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    No change from existing, depending on your taste.
    Through the years, single coil Fenders have stuck with 250k pots, but tone cap values have varied from the current 0.022mfd up to 0.1mfd
    With the tone control on 10, there is little to no difference. The higher values (0.047-0.1) result in more highs being rolled off, so the control is a bit more responsive.
     
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    If I change the tone control options to 1 master to bridge and 1 for both the neck and middle, will this effect quack in the 2/4 positions?

    Minimal if any noticable effect, and that is a good tone control configuration to have.
     
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  9. PCollen

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    .022uF cap is the Fender standard, and you only need 1, You will only need to change the wiring at the pickup selector switch
     
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    Agreed.
    Most flexible option without adding a blender.
    The bridge is "more brighter" compared to the middle than the middle compared to the neck, so it is more natural to have the bridge on its own control, and then you don't have two controls interacting between the 3-4-5 positions.

    I do like the idea of a blender pot, or simply a toggle connecting the bridge and neck pups to get the middle Tele-like sound. The G&L S500 has this from the factory.
    By Tele-like, it's not going to be the same without the Tele bridge pickup configuration. The bridge plate makes a difference in the magnetic field.
    But the connection does add more flexibility to an already versatile configuration.
     
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    Here's your 4 basic options without getting too elaborate.
    None will impact the "quack" in 2-4.

    This does not include the blender pot option with master tone, "Greasebucket" option, treble bleed, or the "Tele switch"

    You can see, it's just a matter of adding/removing/moving a jumper, and the wire from Tone-2 to the 5-way switch.


    Strat Tone Options.jpg
     
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    .022µF

    and put those pups down level with the pickguard, and try the treble side up about 1/16-1/8"

    The low output (vintage) pups sound killer like that.

    And BTW , THIS is the Tundra !! :D :

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    Well...since I think quack (2 and 4) is the great mediocre maker...I don't have anything to offer. Quack is wack. LOL

    I like a master tone and a blender. And a three way switch wired like a post 67 Tele. The blender is for the middle pickup. I do enjoy all three at once.
     
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    The value that sounds good to you. Try .015, .022, .047. And .1uF.
    I use .1uF in everything but my 65, which has the original .05.
     
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    If using a single-ply vintage pickguard, which is about 1/2 as thick as the 3-ply, you might not want the pickups adjusted level with the pickguard, but it's a good place to start and then "play it by ear".
     
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    On Frailin's website, the loaded pickguards with two tone controls offer a option for two tone capacitors.

    The separate tone for the bridge pickup, has the option for a value called the magic cap?

    Based on the recommendations here for tone options and not affecting the 2/4 position quack.

    I am going to go master volume, master tone, blender.

    57/62 Fender's on order, looking forward to the new pickups. :cool:
     
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    You can add separate caps to each tone control on any typical Fender Strat..it's an easy mod.

    Understand that the 57/62 aftermarked, OTC set Fender sells does not have a RWRP middle pickup, at least not the last time I looked into it. Only the 57/62 set on the Classic Player 50's has the RWRP middle pickup. That's odd, but that's the way it is.
     
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    I'd start with 1/8" from the bottom of the two E strings to the top of the polepiece (and no closer), not how far the pickup sticks out of the pickguard. But that's just me.
     
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    That is the correct way it should be done. Distance from bottom of E stings to top of pole pieces, not height of pickup cover above pickguard.
     
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    I just add a simple jumper to the stock wiring. This gives me tone#1 working For the neck pickup, and tone#2 working for both the middle and bridge.
     
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