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A case for higher-powered amps...

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  1. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

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    This guy makes a compelling case for louder, higher-powered amps. In this case a BF Super, which happens to be my favorite amp of all time, but just too loud for my playing situations.

     
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    I liked the part about having the guitar turned down for the sound check. :) One thing's for sure... Pete Thorn can play.
     
  3. Textele

    Textele Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    It is, but a lot of "sound guys" will blow a gasket when you do that to them. Best to take your own sound man if possible.

    Great video.

    Here is one from him on the hot-rodded Marshall sounds. Man, that guy has some great amps.

     
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    joe_cpwe Senior Stratmaster

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    Great video and killer tone. But that video wasn't a case for high powered amps, the Super is 40 watts. He made a case for setting the volume of an amp. Playing the amp at breakup point rather than pristine clean.
     
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    Tone Deaf Senior Stratmaster Silver Member

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    One of my old bandmates used to say:
    "You can do a LOT with Power, man !"
     
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    BallisticSquid Senior Stratmaster

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    Funny thing is in my old band, it was the lead singer that was making everybody's ears bleed. How loud do you have to be!?!?! I tried to make light of it saying "as the guitarist, it's supposed to be MY job to be too loud". Ironically that argument fell on deaf ears and was a large reason of why I left the band.

    In general, Louder != better!!
     
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    PCollen Senior Stratmaster

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    Playing situations make all the difference. If you have a good attentuator you can work around most of those situations. But still, why pay more money for what you really can't use or don't need. And if you mic your amp when playing out, then a good 10-25 watt amp might just be fine..

    Look at Ron Wood's mic'd little Fender amp behind him at the start of this video.

     
  8. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Senior Stratmaster

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    Overly loud singing really gets old fast. I don't know if it's worse than overly loud anything else, but it just might be.
     
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    PCollen Senior Stratmaster

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    For stage volume, a loud, heavy handed drummer is worse....
     
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    BallisticSquid Senior Stratmaster

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    There's a reason you see singers pull back from the mic when they hit a high powerful note. It's painful.
     
  11. BallisticSquid

    BallisticSquid Senior Stratmaster

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    Luckily I have't been subjected to that. Though when my ears would start hurting from the damn loud vocals, the sound of the cymbals would become really irritating.
     
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  12. ZlurkCorzDog

    ZlurkCorzDog INMATE #7XX7XX7 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I'd give vocals a tie with bass, but only slightly. Bass has the capability of turning the whole mix to mud. IMHO of course.
     
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    Triple Jim Senior Stratmaster

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    So it seems that any single overly loud element will screw up the whole. I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise. I know you're right about bass, but I rarely hear that at the shows I see. In fact the bass at the last live show I saw wasn't loud enough.
     
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    Absolutely correct. A 40W amp is not high powered. A 100W Fender Twin is pretty big. But I'm a bass player and accustomed to needing 300w to keep up with a drummer. I wouldn't call any amp "high powered" until it's above 1000 watts continuous. Which is what my band used to use for sound reinforcement; we found it adequate for small outdoor shows.

    If you had a 1000W amp and set the volume in line with the video's instructions, sitting right in front of a 4x10 cab just like in the video--IF the speakers could handle it, it would likely come out at something like 160dB. You'd blow your eardrums and maybe your sinuses as well.

    There's another practical limitation with the size of amps: A 1000w amp will use pretty much all of the electricity that can pass through a bog standard American 120v 15A circuit breaker--that's the biggest amp you could plug in and expect to have work without inspecting the breaker panel.

    The biggest instrument amp I've heard of is the Walter Woods 1200w, which could be used for guitar but I suspect mostly gets used for bass.
     
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    circles humaniod life form Strat-Talk Supporter

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    jump to 4:00

     
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    Brian H Senior Stratmaster

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    I think he's making a case for using the volume control on the guitar. I can cut the need for some pedals with that technique. And dial in exactly what I want as I play. Thats a reason I go with the Strat so much. The placement of the volume control. I don't used it really as a volume ...more like a gain control.
     
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    Use the right tool for the room.

    He lost me when he called it "a mid to late 60's" Super Reverb. C'mon Pete get it together. LOL

    When I played big rooms and had to compete with a twin...the BFSR was my amp of choice.

    Example: ( I'm on the left)



    Big room. Big FOH. Could have done it with a Princeton, but Jimmy was so effing loud through that SF Twin.
     
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    JB74 Senior Stratmaster

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    volume was only on 5 lol that's not LOUD in a super. I play my BF twin on 5-6 all the time I don't think that's loud either.... (maybe I'm deaf?)
     
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    Yeah. like the monkey behind the desk didn't learn that trick the first week on the job.
     
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    That's derogatory and politically incorrect, they are referred to as "pelted humanoids" these days.
     
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