A reliable vibrato - abusive strat, on a budget..?

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  1. 123223

    123223 Strat-Talk Member

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    I've been for a long run now a hardtail user (approx 10 years)..prior that, been exclusively Floyd Rose (actually Edge/Lo Pro) user...

    Yet, these days, i am getting some new ideas which i would like to further explore, and try to meet the both periods with some hopefully fruitful new results...

    I'd like to elaborate that when saying abusive, i am not thinking Vai abusive, but rather Henderson type of usage...
    Very frequent tremolo use, but not deep...if that helps the context of my idea...

    Prior to someone saying, i am absolutely aware of the SETUP importance, including lubrication :D ...
    Yet, even with that said, i am still sceptical how far on that road a standard strat guitar may withstand....
    but looking forward to find out...

    So, i am looking for,
    - either a stock equipped decent vibratio unit + decent nut + locking tuners
    - something to mod it along the way...

    First option that comes to mind:
    Getting a used CV 60s Red Strat and upgrade it along the way..that could be my most satisfying path actually..as at the end, i owuld be fully satisfied with everything..looks i love, but also the functionality...
    What do you think of it...? how hard can it be used that way stock..?
    Would it be decent potential..? Which tremolo would you suggest...which one is direct swap..? no mods to the body?

    I am also thinking of:

    Vintage V6 - on paper, they have it all...a decent unit/tuners/nut and def are a strat..not expensive so fit the budget..and i get everything stock... and i like their approach of relying on history with small technical touches...(they have even implemented a noiseless system with dummy coils in few of their sig models...)

    Yamaha Pacificas - i love their higher end hardtail ones...unfortunately their vibrato equipped counterparts are a bit above the current reach, but still may be absolutely worth the wait PAC611v/612v..i think those are perfect and stellar instruments ( btw their revstar series is such a flop design wise in my eyes compared to their glorious SG... will never understand that)
     
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    Never heard of it..looks awesome..
    my checkout cart bill was 304.85 $
    :DDD
     
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    I don’t think you can beat a Wilkinson wv6 for the money. That makes the Vintage V6 a good option here.

    Otherwise I would probably pay someone with proper equipment to redrill the holes in the CV60s. Shouldn’t be expensive.

    The PAC611v is great as well, I actually replaced the stock trem on mine with a wv6, as it has a slightly better block and vintage saddles.
     
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    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    ^^^^^This. The Wilkinson on my partscaster can take almost as much abuse as my latest LoPro could.
     
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    Thanks for the input..!!
    So, wv6 is a good one...was on Andy Timmons Ibanez which i envision as fine instruments, so it's definitely a good unit..!
    Yet, further googling brought me to a bit of confusion..

    Reading the specs at Vintage official website of JHS, seems that the exact model on (at least most of their V6s) is Wilkinson® WVC .
    So, i googled it and found this neat exploration of Mr. Souzatone, where it says basically that:
    - WVC fits American vintage spacing
    - WV6 fits MiM, MiJ, Squier

    If that's correct, or if i got it right, that is, i have a couple of questions...

    * Is WVC as good as WV6? That's a go for Vintage V6 models than most def...
    * Would WV6 than fit SQUIER (in example CV 60) with no needed mods... and represent a significant improvement?

    ps: very interesting regarding Yamaha..WV6 is better than stock WS50 than?
    WV6 Wilkinson or some other model..?

    Thank you guys for helping!
     
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    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Mine is a WV6SB. SB for Steel Block.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Thank you..!
    look very nice, as well!:)
     
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    If setup properly, the one your guitar comes with is fine.

     
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    Like i have stated in my post, i am absolutely aware of the importance of the setup.... and actually i am not aware of the limits of a properly set up strat, that's one of the reasons of this thread...(although i am sceptical how would it react for longer abuse of that intensity)..
    Anyway, what i wanted to ask was...which exact model of guitar would that be in your vid?
     
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    I beat the crap out of them. ;)

    These are both one complete take and no punching/comping.

    Not the same guitar...but a standard vibrato.


    Standard strat vibrato.




    Proper setup, and knowing how to use it. The guitar in the video is older than you. Its a 1983 JV Squier. :)
     
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    Sounds good, yes...
    I am all for the setup/usage... in these capitalistic days, people are to prone to crunching on gear and mods rather than learning their own gear..
    yet again, from realistic point of view, i have read numerous articles where well known artists which have best setups in teh world may have problems with the term abusage on the strat, if used frequently...si my worry is not unrealistic...

    just trying to explore some average truth...but i will know only once i get one, that is teh one and only truth!
    I appreciate your contribution to the showcasing abilities of the basic strat vibrato..!great..! i love when things are used to their max once learned and controlled!
     
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    It's all about the setup. The height of the six screws. The float. The relieved shanks of the six screws must be free of birds or grooves. The nut must be cut properly. The wraps on the tuner posts.

    I use it like Beck and Scott Henderson. Knowing the limits and not exceeding them will keep you in tune, or at least in the ballpark.

    But if you don't know the limitations, then you'll get funked up. Its kinda like life. :)
     
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    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Mounted it looks like this.

    IMG_20200521_202256.jpg
     
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    Amin

    And that's EXACTLY the type of usage i am imaging..those 2 greats are best example...
    Thing is that i am very comfortable in Floyd Rose system...while this is completely new ballpark...
    so, either i will jump in...either revisit FR waters...:)

    But all you are saying makes perfect sense and i have read pages and pages of Hendersons mods in the current version, but also the struggle along teh way to achieve that...!:)
    Out of curiosity...have you tried 2 point knives vs this current scenario and whats opinion?
    ps:
    digging the Red Letter Blues, but other tracks as well..:)
     
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    Player series Strat with the two point trem.

    PRS SE Custom 22 with trem.

    The new Wilkensen locking saddles that Pete Thorn demoed on youtube.

    Jazzmaster trem, Mustang trem. Not as much dive but they can warble.

    Plus the graphite dry lube all contact points and a good setup.
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    I've always been able to get the stock trem set up to work...my current Strat has given me fits. I suppose I've overlooked something, but...last night I bought a Blade Runner.
     
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    I don't like the feel of the two point type. :)
     
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    I’m the same, two point trems feel too wiggly and sensitive to me.
     
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    Quick reply: no, the wv6 will not fit any 52.5mm spaced bridge (Squier, mim, “import”, etc).

    The sales blurb makes it sound a bit like that, but it is actually referring to the 54mm spacing used on most of Wilkinson’s other bridges. So the wv6 will fit American vintage spacing and slightly narrower spacing, but not the ultra narrow spacing on a Squier or mim standard.

    Wv6 is basically the same as the wvc but with one of the slots slightly elongated.
     
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