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American High-Gain-- what comes to mind?

Discussion in 'Amp Input - Normal or Bright' started by 0utputXfmr, Oct 9, 2019.

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    0utputXfmr Strat-Talk Member

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    Hi folks,

    I'm contemplating starting a first amp build as a hobby, probably starting with a Champ or something along those lines as a first, but I am brainstorming some designs for much further down the road-- something to "work up to", as it were. The "Ultimate" design concept I am working toward would be a 3-channel (likely two modes per channel) head with multiple power modes. Obviously, this is not something that will see fruition anytime soon, but I'm still brainstorming so that I can narrow-down my research into circuit design and frequency response.

    Can anyone point me to some American-made amps from the late-70's through today that are considered desirable for their gain structure? This will be a solid-state-rectifier design, so the Mesa Recto's and Boogie's are not at the top of my list (they're great amps, but I highly doubt I can do what Randall does as well as he does what strikes me as a signature breed of design).

    Two that come to mind are the Soldano SLO-100 and the Peavey 6505. Does anyone know of any others I can look into (and, hopefully, can find a schematic on)?
     
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    vid1900 Most Honored Senior Member

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    VHT Pitbull is a higain homewrecker for sure.
     
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    Bogner Shiva, Uberschall

    Rivera Knucklehead
     
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    Peavy 5150

    Mesa Tripple Rec

    Peavey Invective
     
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    Mesa Boogie. No substitutes.

    Or Madison Divinity.
     
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    English amps LOL
     
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    0utputXfmr Strat-Talk Member

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    I thought of that, but Peavey's own literature hints that the Lead channel on the Invective is based on the 5150\6505. Honestly, it strikes me as a re-badged "Triple-X" with a nicer Clean channel, some added pedal-related gimmicks, and an expensive artist endorsement.
     
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    Soldano SLO 100
     
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    Miotch Senior Stratmaster

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    All of the above.
    I think of certain Mesa's (double rec/triple rec), Soldano, and 5150/6505 when I think of modernish American gain. Of course, as joked about above, those seem to derive historically more from British high gain than the vintage American amps. To me, anyway. Although Nugent used to make quite the sound with a wall of twins.
     
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    The-Kid Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    The Mesa and Peavey are strictly American in root.

    I think Mesa started making bassman clones and Peavey, well they have been doing their own thing forever.

    Soldano for sure but Peavey and Mesa have pure American roots.


    Either way the British just copied American designs anyway such as the Bassman for the first Marshalls....and the Vox stuff is just a there take on Deluxe Reverbs and Princeton IMO.
     
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    Ash-Man Senior Stratmaster

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    American high gain? Boogie. Sorry! Mark 2 c+ was the STUFF
     
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    So the list goes

    Peavey

    Mesa

    Bogner

    Diezel

    Rivera

    VHT
     
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    The rectifier is the sound followed by the 5150. The rest, talked about in guitar forums, rarely used by metal musicians. Personally I would get an ENGL.
     
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    Yeah ENGL are nice or a Orange Thunderverb.

    Completetly different but both very british and kick ass for metal.
     
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    That's interesting-- I didn't realize the SLO100 had British roots, though I haven't taken a good, long look at its' schematic yet...

    And you do bring up a good point in that the sound we associate with "British high-gain" itself has its roots in the humble Fender Bassman!
     
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    Splawn Amps have some very good high gain amps.
     
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    Not that its British but definately hugely British inspired where as I feel Peavey and Mesa are kind of distinctly uniquely American in tone.
     
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    Egnaters were designed to melt your face... even their Chinese-made amps are pretty good, but his homemade boutique amps were legendary.
     
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    Randy's first "Boogie"amp was a hotrodded Princeton. That was a big part of the early Boogie development: bigger transformers, cascading gain stages in small packages to surprise you.
    The Jim Kelly FACS was a great amp. It didn't rely on cascading gain stages like the Boogie, it had a quad of 6V6GTA's getting punished with close to 500 be on them. These are the early entries in the US gain wars.
     
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