AVRI and American Original Stratocasters

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  1. bluesman1956

    bluesman1956 Strat-O-Master

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    I know this is a simple question, but can someone tell me the years the AVRI Series Stratocasters where made up to and when the American originals took over? Where the later AVRIs models still a good value?
     
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    Looks like 2018 is when American Original series was introduced.
     
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    Ok, but where AVRIs produced up till 2018? Im looking at a 2018 to purchase.
     
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    There were 3 American Vintage Strats produced up to the date of introduction of the American Originals, the '56, '59 and '65.
    Fender ceased production in December 2017. The earlier American Vintage '57s and '62s ceased production in late summer 2012.
     
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    I'm wondering why they stopped making AVRIs in the first place.
     
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    So to answer my original question where ANY AVRIs made during the transition year of 2018?
     
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    They wanted you to buy Custom Shops is my take.
     
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    I can’t say for sure, but two reasons come to mind:

    1) AV model sales slumped.

    2) AV models were cutting into Custom Shop sales.


     
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    I agree 100%, slap a CS decal on the back of the headstock and wa la $2500 extra in a sale
     
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    You guys are hilarious. Go look at a brand new American original $2000. You can find that exact model NOS Strat for $3150. My math says that’s a $1150 price hike. Hand wound pickups, proper nitro application, maybe a sorted light weight 2 piece body, maybe a quarter sawn neck, proper neck shape.

    Is it all worth it, that’s up to you. If comparing the AV 2012-2017 reissues they are the closest to vintage as you can get. Go price out at new Strat ultra. $2500 vs CS at $3100 EEDF06F6-0D8A-4F5F-807B-871347DE5236.png 478A5AC2-4FF1-4AFE-82CC-4B07242FEC38.png
     
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    It’s true no debate on my end
     
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    Also they didn’t stop making reissues they just changed the name and went back to not quite vintage specs.

    Cutting into custom shop prices maybe. Maybe too many guys crying because ham fisting a 7.25 radius neck with vintage frets doesn’t work for playing metal, the thin nitro flakes off. That’s why I think they went back to the original type avri design but with 9.5 radius and a more durable finish.
     
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    Agreed, I like my AO for all those reasons
     
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    They are phenomenal. You cannot go wrong with any one of the vintage reissues right from the start in 1982.

    In my eyes these will be the guitars going up in value over the years as far as production fenders go.
     
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    If memory serves me correctly, there was some belly aching about period correctness for the earlier batch . Then the AV came out with like several specific years . They didn’t really sell . Dumped that version for the current AO version , which seem to be selling ok , but with 9.5 radius and different frets. I had an AVRI 57 strat that was ok. Didn’t care for the tiny frets. I have an AVRI 59 thin skin with CS pickups 9.5 radius , 5 way switch, 6105 frets and nitro/nitro finish. Love that guitar. The AO series are great.
     
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    Dumped the AV series because they didn’t sell. Weird I could never get my hands on one fast enough before they sold at the shops and then went discontinued.

    Even used prices on that series right now is right up there with the Fullerton stuff. So they didn’t sell is why they got discontinued seems strange to me.
     
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    I can see the attraction for the AO specs to a certain degree, since I sort did the same thing to my 2003 Fender AV ‘52 Tele by replacing the neck with one that came off of a 2011 Fender AV ‘52 Hot Rod model (which has the 9.5 fretboard radius and medium jumbo frets):


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    I also put a 2021 Fender AO ‘60s Strat neck on my 2012 Custom Shop ‘69 Relic Strat body, (these necks also have the 9.5 fretboard radius but with “vintage tall” frets):


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    To be honest, I actually didn’t get the AO Strat neck because of the modern specs, but I certainly don’t mind them either.

    So, to that extent, Fender seems to be catering to non-traditional buyers who may prefer both vintage and modern features or don’t exactly care either way...


     
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    Unlikely. My 2018 AO's neck is stamped Aug 17, so I would not be surprised if they stopped AVRI production before that.

    Regarding the reasons, I think it's a) Fender's ongoing effort to revamp one model every half year to be able to present something new to create demand, b) the AVRI range with three years (and the 59 having both maple and rosewood fretboards) being too large, c) Fender thinking that there was more interest in a traditional Strat with modern features (fingerboard radius and fret size) than a true vintage-spec Strat, and possibly, as mentioned, d) a desire to push people towards the Custom Shop for vintage-correct specs.

    I love my AO '60s, it's a great guitar.
     
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    The AOs were leaked and had shown up in some stores in December 2017 but they were pulled and "embargoed" until they were officially introduced at the January 2018 NAMM show. There shouldn't have been a "carry over" as the AOs would have had to have gone into production circa September/October 2017 if they were sitting in store inventory by December 2017.
     
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    Fender has done very well since they stopped production of the AV's (2012 - 2016). Not that that is the reason they've done well but the discontinuation hasn't hurt them. It seemed to me that the AV's had too high a street price - being over 2K and Fender marketing must have figured they would do better on a similar model if they could get it under 2K on the street. This involved reducing the number of models and bringing in some specs that were not of the original guitars (a one size fits all neck shape in particular). I feel very fortunate to have nabbed three of the American Vintage of the 2012 - 2016 period. IMHO, they represent the best Fender production model since the pre-CBS days.
     
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