Bad people are going to win a lot of the time.

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by Dadocaster, Apr 14, 2020.

  1. kargoboy

    kargoboy Strat-O-Master

    Messages:
    962
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2014
    Location:
    St. Augustine
    I am an atheist and also believe that the universe is completely random. Even the (known) laws of physics don't explain
    or control what happens at the subatomic level.
    What does this have to do with the OP's post?
    "Bad" people take advantage of every opportunity to do whatever they want (power, control, money) without conscience or empathy for others.
    Only their own agendas.
    I don't think there's anything like Karma, God or some other universal system of justice.
    Someone cited Hitler as getting his comeuppance because he ended up killing himself. So his suicide balanced the millions of people he killed?
    I don't think so.
     
  2. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster

    Messages:
    21,843
    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Location:
    Sachse TX behind the cemetary
    Implied in my post is that bad people don't suffer for the harm they do. Sometimes they are sad they get caught, but that's not the same thing.
     
  3. SpeedKing

    SpeedKing Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    1,539
    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2015
    Location:
    UK
    Neither do I. Nor did I say or imply it.

    I'm just pointing out that being forced to blow your own brains out and have your body burnt so it can't be torn apart, disfigured and paraded through the streets of the city you once proclaimed as the centre of your rule by those who vanquished you can hardly be called a 'win' now can it.
     
    3bolt79 likes this.
  4. Baelzebub

    Baelzebub Most Honored Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,140
    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Location:
    State of Disbelief
    You're having a problem finding an argument about tonewood here???????!
     
    snoopdoug and 3bolt79 like this.
  5. Baelzebub

    Baelzebub Most Honored Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,140
    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Location:
    State of Disbelief
    Right..so live as you wish the world to be and be the change you wish to see in the world. It'll happen..or it won't...
     
    3bolt79 and dogletnoir like this.
  6. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir V----V

    Messages:
    11,514
    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2013
    Location:
    northeastern us
  7. jtoomuch

    jtoomuch Senior Stratmaster Silver Member

    Messages:
    1,315
    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2010
    Location:
    South Florida
    Bad things happen to good people all the time.
     
    Neil.C and 3bolt79 like this.
  8. Class A Knob

    Class A Knob Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    2,082
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2017
    Location:
    California
    Why do I feel that the second "it" gets defined, this thread will get shut down.
     
    Stratoskater, amstratnut and 3bolt79 like this.
  9. Hydr0

    Hydr0 Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    1,455
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Location:
    New York
    if by win, you mean they end up with a lot of money, well..that's probably true. But if happiness is your measure, it could be a different story. I know rich and "successful" people who are miserable and others who have next to nothing to their name loving each and every day, enjoying friends, family, nature, music, etc.
     
  10. kargoboy

    kargoboy Strat-O-Master

    Messages:
    962
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2014
    Location:
    St. Augustine
    Yes, I guess that was my way of saying I agree...

    Sorry, I was referring to your post but I didn't mean to say that you meant it was enough. I should have mentioned that my comment was not intended
    to disparage your example; I was just using it as as example to further explain my own thought. I am really sorry if you misinterpreted my remark. I should have been clearer.
     
    3bolt79 likes this.
  11. fezz parka

    fezz parka fezz parka

    Age:
    62
    Messages:
    28,491
    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Location:
    Ticket Booth at the JWPL
    Decent people need to be able to recognize arsewholes and call them on being arsewholes.

    Or like my Dad used to say:

    Son...don't be a dick. But if you have to be a dick...be the biggest one in the room.

    In other words...kindness doesn't include weakness. Or in the immortal words of Dalton:

    Be nice...until it's time not to be nice.
     
  12. Seamus OReally

    Seamus OReally Buried alive in the blues Gold Supporting Member

    Age:
    64
    Messages:
    3,782
    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2019
    Location:
    Santa Rosa, CA
    Zen master Dogen awakened in the middle of the night to find a man ransacking his house. “What do you want?” he called. “I’m looking for money,” the man said. The master replied, “My money is in the red jar on the shelf.”

    The robber opens the jar and finds money. As he’s scooping it up, Dogen cries out, “Wait! Don’t take it all... I need some to pay taxes.”

    The robber is taken by surprise and puts a fistful of coins back in the jar. Gathering up the rest, he headed for the door. Dogen said, “You know, when someone gives you a gift, it’s only polite to say thank you.” The robber is so dumbfounded that he replies, “Thank you.” Then he runs away into the night.

    Two days later, the police drag the robber to Dogen’s hut. “This guy has confessed to a string of crimes, and says that he robbed you two nights ago. Is this so?” And Dogen says, “Why, no. He was here, but I gave him a gift, and he thanked me for it.”

    When the robber was released from prison, he sought out the Zen master and became his student.
     
  13. mad axe man

    mad axe man Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    2,866
    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2016
    Location:
    ontario canada
  14. longboard blues

    longboard blues Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    1,642
    Joined:
    May 13, 2019
    Location:
    The People's Republic of Melbourne
    Karma, as it's often portrayed, does not mean 'getting comeuppance'.

    https://ideapod.com/heres-great-explanation-karma-really-means-can-improve-life/

    Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. That's life. Most on here can be grateful for what we have, and strive not to make life worse for others through action or inaction. In any group, there will always be those that take a different view, and see things through a combative lens, or a religious one, or any other, and that's life too. I just try to live the best life i can, while recognising i've not always lived up to the standards i set. I leave anger to other people. It seems to be its own punishment.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2020
  15. Groovey

    Groovey Dr. Stratster

    Messages:
    10,210
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Location:
    WV. USA

    Indeed. "For evil to succeed, all good men need do is sit back and do nothing." Or something like that...
     
    Mansonienne and 3bolt79 like this.
  16. CigBurn

    CigBurn Total Hack

    Age:
    63
    Messages:
    13,039
    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2014
    Location:
    Same Shed Different Day
    There is no Yin without Yang..
     
    dogletnoir and 3bolt79 like this.
  17. mexicaster

    mexicaster Strat-Talker

    Messages:
    163
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Location:
    White Bird, Idaho
    "Got a story ain't got no morals, let the bad guy win every once in a while"...…Billy Preston
     
    fezz parka, 3bolt79 and amstratnut like this.
  18. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music.

    Messages:
    19,686
    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2009
    Location:
    My house.
    Best song evaaar. Thread/
     
    3bolt79 likes this.
  19. Swampash

    Swampash Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    2,509
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Location:
    Here
    If you actually care, I recommend reading "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, as it covers these sorts of questions comprehensively.
     
    Seamus OReally likes this.
  20. Neil.C

    Neil.C Most Honored Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,282
    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2012
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    I don't believe in karma or any other made up mystical stuff.

    Good and bad things can happen to anyone.

    The two greatest murderers of modern times, Mao Zedong and Stalin died peacefully in their beds.