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  1. guitarface

    guitarface Most Honored Senior Member

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    wanna make sure I have this right-

    The amp that Clapton played on the beano album was a Marshall bluesbreaker. (I don't know if it was called that first, or just came to be called that because he played it while in the bluesbreakers. But that's neither here nor there).

    Many years later Marshall put out a pedal called the bluesbreaker. It was probably supposed to sound like the old amp, but it didn't, but it was still quite popular as a "transparent overdrive" but it was basically a different thing/sound from the amp.

    Now, today, there are a number of bluesbreaker clone or inspired by type pedals- jhs mornin glory, wampler pantheon and king of tone, among others. Those pedals are copying the pedal, not amp, I believe. Is that right?

    And finally, today, there are plexi in a box type pedals. Sometimes that Clapton beano amp gets swept up in the very flexible definition of plexi, even though I don't think it had the plexiglass panel from where the term comes from.

    All of this is a long way of asking am I correct- a contemporary plexi style pedal and a bluesbreaker pedal do two different things and aren't going to overlap all that much, right?
     
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  2. Alan Crossley

    Alan Crossley Senior Stratmaster

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    Sorry I cannot help you out with your questions
     
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    guitarface Most Honored Senior Member

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    I forgive you.
     
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    Alan Crossley Senior Stratmaster

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    Thank you from an avid Clapton fan. It would appear impolite not to give some response to your question.:D
     
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    EC Strat-boy Senior Stratmaster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Honestly, I’ve been wondering much the same
     
  6. Will Lefeurve

    Will Lefeurve Senior Stratmaster

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    You'll no doubt find a wealth of knowledge on the web referring to Marshall history..

    I'm of an age.. :eek:.. that I can remember back pretty far.. and I do think Clapton and his being in the Bluesbreakers gave the amp its monica. Before that they were just combo's named on their production year.. I think.. o_O

    As for pedals.. I've only owned one Marshall pedal, and that was the Guvnor.. and that, if my memory serves me well, did (more or less) what it said on the tin.. imitated a cranked Marshall stack..
     
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  7. Misty Mountain

    Misty Mountain Strat-Talker

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    JTM 45 is the amp. A pedal that models that should get you close
     
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  8. guitarface

    guitarface Most Honored Senior Member

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    That's not the question.
     
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  9. rafasounds

    rafasounds Senior Stratmaster

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    Not exactly what you asked, but as far as I'm concerned, a Marshall Class 5 amp is pretty much that tone in smaller and more affordable version, but it needs to be cranked, and at just 5 watts can be very loud for home use. That one reason why I sold it.
     
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    Electgumbo Lost Planet Airman Strat-Talk Supporter

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    If you can’t have one of these the Wampler Plexi Drive gets you in the ball park... 77AFAE53-DCE7-46EC-B0BE-0F907559A950.jpeg
     
  11. CigBurn

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    As a corollary, I have a Marshall Bluesbreaker II pedal that is a slightly less gain'ey option. It too flavors things toward a Marshall, but never quite all the way there obviously.
     
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    mshivy Most Honored Senior Member

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    The Bluesbreaker pedal will not give you the Clapton Bluesbreaker amp Sound
    ( arguably the greatest tone in rock/blues history)

    I have a Snouse - a Bluesbreaker-type Pedal - and it’s really a beautiful Overdrive.
    It’s more “ transparent” than a TS type
    There’s any number of “Marshall in a box” pedals, you really have your pick
     
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  13. Misty Mountain

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    Yep I did not. I just wanted to clarify the amp model used.
     
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    Correct. Most folks think "plexi" refers to the JCM 800, a non-master volume 4 x EL-34, 100-watt amp head through a 4 x 12 cab. The Beano amp is a JTM 45, 2 x KT-66, 45-watt 2 x 12 open-back combo, with a tube rectifier. In front of which Clapton may have stuck a Rangemaster Treble Boost. Quite different amps.
    Most of the pedal clones called "Bluesbreaker" are not that different from any medium-gain overdrive pedal, but many have a more neutral midrange than a typical TS-9 Tube Screamer-type. Some do not. All the clones sound different from one another. There's no "standard" Bluesbreaker pedal tone, except maybe *not* high gain.
    The ZVex Distortron is a good JTM-45 "amp-in-a-box" pedal for those "Beano" toans.
     
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  15. Misty Mountain

    Misty Mountain Strat-Talker

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    Plus a Les Paul! Preferably with fifties bumblebees and some good unpotted PAF clones...

    Or if you can afford it, the real deal! But we probably would not be quibbling over pedals if you can afford the real deal 1959/1960 (I have read it was one of those two) Les Paul!
     
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    I think that a good way to emulate a Marshall Bluesbreaker sound is using a Tech21 British w/o the speaker emulator into a Fender amp or with the speaker emulator into a PA. Personally I don't have one but I have the other 3 pedals of the character series. They are incredibly realistic especially if they are connected straight into the foh mixer.
    Those days I rather use them more than my tube amps...they weight so little...
    Just my 2 cents...
     
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    Think about it this way; put aside the 'bluesbreaker' term when you think of pedals. I'm sure Marshall thought bringing up that name would help in their product sales, but it is, and was, nothing more than a misnomer. No wonder people get confused and bring this up in forums! :p

    I would classify a 'plexi' styled pedal as emulating anything from the JTM45 all the way to the SLP1959; both of which cover very wide Marshally classic rock tones. Some pedals that do the plexi thing are more versatile than others. My personal favourites are the Tech21 British Sound, and the Lovepedal Purple Plexi. They are wildly different pedals.

    As for the "Bluesbreaker-style" pedal, I would use it in front of a black-face style amp, where the naturally mild mid-range helps add a bit of overdriven character. I own the King of Tone and the Snouse Black Box on separate pedal boards, both of which cover that ballpark "Bluesbreaker-style" pedal tone. However, I use them as solo boosts, and not standalone drives.
     
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  19. Swampash

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    Yeah, basically. JHS did an interesting video on the topic just recently. Check youtube.
     
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    Swampash Senior Stratmaster

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    This is the vid:

     
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