Building my first relic Partscaster, need help please

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  1. DoctorWu

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    I just sanded my body down to bare wood and my plan is to use Sanding Sealer > White Vinyl Nitro > Fiesta Red Nitro > Clear Coat , I am gonna buff the clear coat off with some wet sanding. I was given an old neck and full working old wired pickguard with Ybarra / Campos Pickups. I am wondering if It is ok to use a light wood dye before going through my process with sanding sealer. so that way when the guitar eventually chips, this is gonna be my road and bang around guitar, I want the wood to be darker, it is a very pale alder or basswood body.

    A waterbased wood dye isn't gonna prevent my nitro finish from working like normal is it?


    Thank You for your help guys.

    Will
     

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    Oughta work out just fine.
     
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    awesome thanks man. I just know this guitar is gonna get banged around. I am gonna be playing outside with it all summer and didn't want pale white wood showing through. I got a little mohawk burnt umber and I am gonna do a very light coat to dye it
     
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    Yeah, it will be fine. I use alcohol for my dyes. It dries fast.

    In sure you'll make sure yours is dry before you go to the next step.
     
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    you think I should use alcohol? this is my first time ever doing anything like this. I am basically gonna put it together and then go to my guitar guy and pay to get a nice setup.
     
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    it's ok to use alcohol before nitro and stuff?
     
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    Just make sure it's totally dry before you hit it with sealer.
     
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    It is the difference between six or a half dozen. I didn't intend to make you second guess. Either alcohol or water mix is good. Each will evaporate and leave the tint behind. Neither will be present when you get to the Nitro step.

    I can say that I would not use water base dye on a laminated surface. The moisture may cause the laminate to lift.

    As long as your body is solid ,and it looks like it is, proceed as planned Sir.
     
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    Good luck with the build. Lego Jerry (to the left) likes your avatar!

    Bill, tgo
     
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    +1 I've always preferred grain alchohol like Everclear or Clear Springs for my dyes and shellac. It's better than denatured or isopropyl alcohol in my book cause you can have a shot.;)

    Be careful though, it's seriously hot stuff.
     
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    if it were mine i'd also do the headstock in Fiesta Red and apply a spaghetti logo after.
     
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    Shhhh. We don't encourage fakes around these parts.
     
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    I was gonna put the fender logo on it and sell it on offer up as an original. I'll meet the guy at the dollar tree for the sale and Ill wear my covid mask the whole time. or I was thinking about putting a squier logo on it and telling people it's a Fender Custom Shop AVRI with a squier logo on it. I can't decide
     
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    LOL Just looking out for a bro. Fakes are discouraged here because the site has been threatened with lawsuits from FMIC before, and because in fact they are dishonest and there are people out there who sell DO them as real.
     
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    The key, particularly for any water (or alcohol) based coats, is dry. Leave a lot of time between water based and sealer.

    You can sorta fudge if you were to use an oil based grain filler (tinted to whatever color you like), or for that matter an oil based primer coat of say...
    flat black.

    Water is the issue. What feels dry and what is dry are often very different.
     
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    Kiwi brown or tan.
     
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    Use waterbased dye. Avoid oils at all cost if you are to put nitro on top.

    Alcoho dyel is ok too but would leave to dry well anyways

    Put to dry in a heated room.
     
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    Give me 2 weeks and I will post a Relic I did on Neck as well as Body . I figured out how Fender Cracks the Finish as well as produces the wear marks on the back of the neck to appear like real wear . Once I post pictures explaining how I did this will make sense . You could use shellac as a base coat or wipe on poly . This guitar I am working on had Poly underneath the lacquer . It turned out IMO very realistic looking . Plus the Poly undercoat saved me from having to seal the bare wood . Where wear was produced .

    If you want it authentic Looking . You need to take your Time. You can make the wood look older before starting with baking soda and water . Don't use Steel wool/Vinegar . All that is rust on the wood . Baking Soda makes the wood look aged not waterlogged like Steel Wool solution does . Plus it darkens well under lacquer
     
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    Dude thanks for the Baking soda tip. I will be doing that. I wish us both good luck on our guitars.
     
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    I like your thinking here.

    I agree you should be fine with either water or alcohol, but as other said let it dry good before putting on the SS. And it may raise the grain a bit requiring a bit of light sanding before the SS. And remember that alcohol still has water in it, so although it drys to touch faster, you still want to give it some time before hitting it with the SS.
     
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