Did anyone else think Star Wars Episodes 7,8 & 9 su$&#d?


Strat-Talk Member
Feb 13, 2020
I was seven when the original movie came out and I loved it. By the time the third film came out, I enjoyed it but I could tell that at the age of 13 I was already outgrowing the Star Wars world. I didn’t bother seeing any of them for more than 30 years.

My son is now 8. In the past year we have watched all 9 of the films multiple times. Some are better than others but seeing them through the eyes of an 8 year old, the series portrays a fantasy world where good must always fight against evil but good always wins in the end.

I’ve always perceived Star Wars (and Batman and Superman) to be kids stories with I’m not sure why everyone wants or expects them to be great entertainment for adults.


Sep 18, 2020
New Jersey USA
I remember seeing the Original movie (#4) in the theaters as a 9 year old with my Dad!

I was mesmerized!

Dont know the numbers, but liked Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi.

1,2, and 3 weren’t groundbreaking, but at least explained the story and I was fine with that, some people really cant stand them.

Havent seen any more movies yet since the 2016 movie onwards....


Senior Stratmaster
Feb 28, 2019
I remember really enjoying 7 when it came out, but that might have been "" OMG...new Star Wars!" clouding my judgement. Plus, it featured Han Solo. 8 was undeniably terrible. 9 was slightly better than 8, but still a jumbled mess.

Solo was kind of fun, if completely forgettable. I seriously only remember a couple of scenes from that movie. Rogue One was a dreary slog that took itself way too seriously, but it was worth it for THAT Darth Vader scene.


Senior Stratmaster
Gold Supporting Member
Dec 13, 2020
Tir-na Nog'th
Yes that bastard destroyed two Universes...

Two awesome universes.....

How!?!? What!??!?! Why!?!??!

That had to be a monumental feat of some sort. They are just so cool and well.....how is that possible?

How can you take two perfectly awesome universes and destroy each one, suck the life out of them and then present them as the same thing just modern.

Abramsverse Star Trek or Star Wars just need to be shoved down the memory hole, forgotten as if it was never made or existed or mentioned....Like a Voldemort of the two Star Trek and Star Wars universes .

JJ Abrams..........oh man......the things I want to say..... He is just a complete disaster and a garbage director/filmmaker, a Youtuber could probably make a better movie than this guy. Anything that man worked on in either Star Trek or Star Wars should just be erased and never mentioned again. In that sense Abrams is pretty talented because I cant think of anyone else who could of done what he did with both franchises.

Actually, Star Dreck IS saveable:

I'm waiting for Star Trek CXXVIII, where-in Kirk's great-grandfather undergoes sexual re-assignment surgery and becomes Nurse Chapel, then travels into the future, murders Spock's parents, and replaces them with disguised Romulans, who then travel back in time and lead the Borg to attack Earth five years after "First Contact", so that Kirk's illegitimate son, who has travelled back in time from the Genesis planet, has to travel through a worm-hole into the Delta Quadrant and bring back the Voyager and Captain Janeway (with whom he has an affair that produces Scotty's grandfather, who turns out to be "Q"). Once back in the Alpha Quadrant, Voyager gets too close to the Sun while chasing a Klingon War Bird (which is actually a cloaked Romulan Bird-of-Prey) and has to accelerate to trans-warp velocity to slingshot around the Sun, which sends them too far forward in time, where they encounter Wesley Crusher and The Traveler having fun placing millions of Data android copies all over the galaxy, so they can be discovered and reassembled into a robot army that comes back in time and fights the Borg once again, at which time we find out that the Borg Queen is actually Kirk's ex-lover and the mother of his son, which makes Kirk the step-father of the Borg. Jean-Luc Picard, having defeated his Nemesis and retired from Starfleet, gets called back to active service, because his mind contains a hologram that contains Kirk's personality which was downloaded into his brain just before Kirk died the last time in the Nexus. Star Fleet tries to extract Kirk from Picard's brain, but fails and the result is an unbreakable mind-meld, which creates Admiral Pickirk, a super-intelligent, ultra-bombastic, autocrat who speaks only Latin with a French accent and is subject to intense crying jags in the midst of interstellar combat. As a result of which, Pickirk loses a star-battle against an overwhelming enemy force, (which becomes the basis for the "Kobayashi Maru" scenario at Starfleet Academy, the knowledge of which was given to Starfleet by Gary Seven because he was pissed that Kirk got in the way of his illicit romance with Miss Roberta Lincoln (portrayed by the lovely and tempting Teri Garr). The off-spring of this relationship, a nova-hot babe called Seven-of-Nine, who joined the Borg out of revenge after her father rejected her, came back on the Voyager also, hoping to find a human husband, but instead married a Ferengi and settled on Deep Space 9, where she lived under deep cover as an agent for the Kardassians, who are bent on taking over the galaxy by breeding a race of big-ass female impersonators who cause humans to commit suicide by the millions after watching them on the Holo-screen. This sets up the plot-line for the NEXT Star Trek movie, in which things get really interesting.


Most Honored Senior Member
Jan 20, 2018
Murfreesboro, TN
The most recent trilogy wasn't bad, it just wasn't good either. The real trouble is that the villain is boring. There are Trek films that are worse.

Rogue One rocked. That's the way a prequel should be done: with respect for the original, and making darn sure you don't contradict the original.

The Jarjar trilogy is so bad. So very bad.


Dr. Stratster
Sep 25, 2012
In a van down by the river
Liked 7, mostly.
9 was ok in places.

oh and for the record Solo sucked, but I loved Rogue One almost as much as I loved Episode 4.
I thought I was going to hate solo so had extremely low expectations. It surpassed those and I might even go as far as I enjoyed it once I got passed the idea that I was not watching Harrison Ford. Wasn't spectacular but it was better than Episode 8 for sure.


Dr. Stratster
Sep 25, 2012
In a van down by the river
Greatest film of all time



Most Honored Senior Member
Jan 20, 2018
Murfreesboro, TN
I thought I was going to hate solo so had extremely low expectations. It surpassed those and I might even go as far as I enjoyed it once I got passed the idea that I was not watching Harrison Ford. Wasn't spectacular but it was better than Episode 8 for sure.
I went in to Solo with no expectations, and I thought it was lame. Not quite Jarjar bad, but not as good as some of the animated Clone Wars series. The Kessel Run monsters were so ridiculously cartoony I almost turned it off. The acting wasn't good either. I thought 8 was better, but that's faint praise. Neither Solo nor 8 is worth a re- watch, IMO.


No GAS shortage here
Double Platinum Supporting Member
Feb 24, 2019
The last 3 were so un-memorable that if you described scenes, there are a few that I would not be able to tell you which one they were from.
Pretty sure 8 was the hall of mirrors and casino scene. Both of those could have been cut, and the movie would have been a better length. I get it that the mirror scene was supposed to be the same experience Luke had when he faced the image of Vader on Degobah, but it was reeeealy slow.
The casino sequence added nothing to the movie other than some action (which I guess was needed?)

So ya... the last 3 had issues, but 8 was the worst. Unfortunately, it can't be removed from Machete Order because it does have key story elements.
9 used a plot device that makes the entire concept of energy weapons and large battle cruisers obsolete.
If all you have to do is point something at something and make the jump to lightspeed, then back in Episode-I the story would have been over because the Trade Federation could have simply built hyperdrive torpedoes.

Rogue One was awesome... Some silliness, but for the most part, I rank it up there with the original and it shows what the franchise is still capable of.
Showed Vader to be a true badass and no longer the spoiled brat that we saw on Mustafaar.


Guitar Player
Sep 19, 2019
Midwest USA
I've never been a big Star Wars person, even though I am perfectly positioned in the demographic that usually loves the whole franchise. I think that viewed objectively, while groundbreaking in a few ways, the first three weren't all that great, either. The dialogue is uniformly horrible. The prequels were worse, yes. The sequels were muddled on a few fronts and very J.J. Abrams in their disjointedness (with the Rian Johnson "huh? twist in the middle - but J.J. co-wrote them all and it shows). The odd plot twists in the last one (let's just start by saying the Emperor is back - they'll buy whatever we sell them), were junior high-level writing. But as sources of fun, they worked for me.
Last edited:


Aug 1, 2017
The originals are still just as good, though. Do yourself a favour and find harmy's despecialized editions. They are perfect original cuts.
I have a set on DVD of the original trilogy that has both the enhanced editions and the original motion picture unedited. I never ever watch the main DVD and go straight for the originals baby.