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Difference in Stratocaster vs Telecaster Neck Shapes of The Same Year

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by gretev, Mar 19, 2020.

  1. gretev

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    Did Stratocaster neck shapes and Telecaster neck shapes undergo the same evolution simultaneously? For example, did a 1954 Telecaster have an identical neck shape as a 1954 Stratocaster? If so was this true for all years? If neck shapes differed for the two models, does anyone know why? Were Strats and Teles built by different divisions and workers in the factory or by the same people?
     

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    I'm curious to see what others have to say here too.Though, I just always assumed that it had to do with the two guitars just being different models.
     
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    What's up with all the questions... are you writing an essay? :D

    Shapes follow the same tendencies... but they all vary...
    But yes, '56 Soft V for both models (and other models), '57 harder V, .... and so on.

    So, your follow up question isn't of importance.
    And both models were mostly build by the same people... The templates change, but the work done is almost the same
     
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    No, I am not Haha :) I just recently signed up to this forum and am now free to ask all the questions that have remained a mystery to me about Stratocaster specs. I have many questions regarding all these specs and it seems like they are even a mystery to most Strat aficionados. So I am just trying to get historical facts about Strats organized in my head and see if other people more knowledgable about Strats than me can help me out ;)
     
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    Go to guitarhq.com should answer most of your questions in depth. Should keep you busy for a while . Lots of things were very variable in early fender days , so not so much a mystery just hard to prove or say why certain things or changes were done.
     
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    A good starting point but not everything written is correct.

    For me there was only one way to learn a lot: in real life.

    see them, feel them, smell them, measure them, disassemble them, assemble them, play them,...

    You learn everything you need to know like that.
     
  8. Stratwrangler

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    Couldn't agree more , unfortunately not being a respected luthier like your self, people get upset when I start taking there strats and teles apart lol;)
     
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    It‘s true. I have noticed that guitar hq omits certain facts about the evolution of the Stratocaster for example some I have asked about like differences in headstock thickness, changes in pickup design from wire coating to magnets and how this affects the tone and also the fine details about the noticeable color change in 1964. I have actually emailed guitar hq throughout the years pondering about some omissions but the response was that he believed the differences in headstock thickness as an illusion (which is not) and also the differences in sunburst appeances to be due to exposure to UV light which in the case of 1964/1965/1966 Strts this is not the case.
     
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    Understandable... but already grabbing each and every opportunity to see, feel and play one in real life would help.
    We can learn a lot by pictures, but not everything...

    I'm a data cruncher, and probably not everything is measured, but a lot. You can't state facts based on one or two examples...
     
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    I dont think the headstock thickness is an illusion just that every single one will be different no set size at all. Look at Bazz Jass thickness thats fat for a 61 if you compare it to some other ones of the same period that are nearer half inch . I dont think there is a hard and fast rule for each year.
    The pickup side of things is something I find interesting my self and am researching a bit when I have enough info I will put it up.
    The sunburst issue I think he covers very well the change comes because they were using bodies of multiple pieces even on bursts. So they sprayed them white first to cover this up.

    Its on this page here

    http://guitarhq.com/fenderc.html
     
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    No fair comment .
     
  13. Bazz Jass

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    It's a 63. I said 63 right?? You knew that surely :)
     
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    A lot of this has already been discussed on this forum or the telecaster forum which has a lot of info that is relevant to strats. Take a really good look and you will learn a lot. But please don't let that discourage you from asking more questions. We're all locked up at home so any entertainment is welcome. :D
     
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    Yeah I know its a 63 dont know why I forgot ,my mistake must be because it reminds me of knopflers strat so much.
     
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    That's a good enough reason for me!

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    That look there is the look of a guitarist with a drummer playing to fast lol
     
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    So his thicker headstock is correct for 63 and too thick for a 61
     
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    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

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    That's what mama told me...
     
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    Yes sorry ill go to the back of the class.
     
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